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Post: #1   PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:07 am Reply with quote
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At an AGM for our residents association, is the partner of one of the house owners allowed to participate and make comments?

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Post: #2   PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:26 am Reply with quote
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Would it be better they never attended at all?

If she's there as a proxy for the owner ie her husband she can also vote. If they're both there she cannot.

Not positive but it makes sense that she could be asked to leave if she's being disruptive. Personally I cannot see why you'd object to her being there, is there a reason?
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Would it be better they never attended at all?

If she's there as a proxy for the owner ie her husband she can also vote. If they're both there she cannot.

Not positive but it makes sense that she could be asked to leave if she's being disruptive. Personally I cannot see why you'd object to her being there, is there a reason?


I am of course only asking a hypothetical question on behalf of a friend .... Wink Laughing

You are being rather sexist in thinking that it may be a woman who is going to cause trouble!!!!! Very Happy Laughing

'My friend' is just trying to pre-empt any issues in case they occur at his/her upcoming meeting.... Smile

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Post: #4   PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:25 am Reply with quote
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If they are not married, then I would say no to him/her voicing an opinion.
It is the owner who is responsible to pay fees and take responsibility for visitors, tenants etc.
If owners cannot attend they should email any issues prior to the AGM and also after the minutes of the AGM have been sent out.
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Post: #5   PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:19 am Reply with quote
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Apologies for my sexist error.

As for being married or not, it is irrelevant imo. eg if someone wanted his lawyer to attend I do not think he should be denied, whether he gets involved in any discussion is down to interpretation as he could be the owners proxy?
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Are they joint owners?

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Bobbeer wrote:
Are they joint owners?


Don't think so, but not sure .... Smile

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J B wrote:
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Are they joint owners?


Don't think so, but not sure .... Smile


Only owners can participate or nominate someone to act on their behalf.

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Post: #9   PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:36 am Reply with quote
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It's worth noting that only those who have paid their management fees can vote at general meeting of owners.

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Post: #10   PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:33 am Reply with quote
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nhowarth wrote:
It's worth noting that only those who have paid their management fees can vote at general meeting of owners.


Many thanks Nigel, welcome back.

How many votes per house are allowed?
e.g. House A is jointly owned by Mr & Mrs
House B is just owned by one person

Does House A get double the votes??? Smile

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J B wrote:
How many votes per house are allowed?


Voting rights are explained in the law - see
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Post: #12   PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:47 am Reply with quote
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Hi J B

I think a bit more explanation is required:

Voting rights are based on the relative values of the individual units/dwellings comprising the Communal Building. So if the value of unit 'A' is twice as much as unit 'B' the vote of unit 'A' count twice as much as the vote of unit 'B'.

If you have the deed to the property you can get the values for all the relevant properties off the Department of Lands & Survey's website and work out the voting rights using a spreadsheet.

If you can send a clear scan of your Title Deed to me (I'll send you an email with my email address), I will do this for you (and also work out what percentage of the overall cost you need to pay to the Management Committee.)

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Post: #13   PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:43 am Reply with quote
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Bobbeer wrote:

Only owners can participate or nominate someone to act on their behalf.


nhowarth wrote:
It's worth noting that only those who have paid their management fees can vote at general meeting of owners.


Just bumping this up again, sorry.

It's AGM time again soon, so combining the above two replies (but relating to different owners this time) ...

Can someone who has not paid their fees send a representative to speak on their behalf at the meeting?

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Post: #14   PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:52 pm Reply with quote
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J B wrote:
Can someone who has not paid their fees send a representative to speak on their behalf at the meeting? Question


There's nothing to stop owners who haven't paid their communal fees from attending and speaking at an AGM on any subject on the agenda. But they can't vote.

If you can't attend the AGM in person you can appoint a proxy.

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Post: #15   PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:16 pm Reply with quote
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nhowarth wrote:
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Can someone who has not paid their fees send a representative to speak on their behalf at the meeting? Question


There's nothing to stop owners who haven't paid their communal fees from attending and speaking at an AGM on any subject on the agenda. But they can't vote.

If you can't attend the AGM in person you can appoint a proxy.

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Sorry - it's me again Embarassed

I've looked at the law, but can't find the bit about non-payers not being able to vote.
Can you give me a hint ... please?

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Post: #16   PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:54 pm Reply with quote
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J B wrote:
can't find the bit about non-payers not being able to vote.
Can you give me a hint ... please? Smile


Page 19 - item no 31.

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nhowarth wrote:
J B wrote:
can't find the bit about non-payers not being able to vote.
Can you give me a hint ... please? Smile


Page 19 - item no 31.

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Got it - thanks

31. Except where a unanimous decision is required by or under this Law, no owner is entitled to vote at any general meeting, unless all payable contributions in relation to his unit have been paid.

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Post: #18   PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:23 am Reply with quote
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nhowarth wrote:
J B wrote:
can't find the bit about non-payers not being able to vote.
Can you give me a hint ... please? Smile


Page 19 - item no 31.

Regards,
can not find paragraph relating to voting if joint owned is it one or two many thanks
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shuggybear wrote:
nhowarth wrote:
J B wrote:
can't find the bit about non-payers not being able to vote.
Can you give me a hint ... please? Smile


Page 19 - item no 31.

Regards,
can not find paragraph relating to voting if joint owned is it one or two many thanks

I know of complex properties who have 4 people on the deeds, this does not give them 4 votes.
Communal fees should be charged as per size of unit, for example, a 100m2 unit should be charged twice as much as a unit 50m2. In voting the 100m2 unit has twice the voting power (%) as the 50m2.
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Hi shuggybear & UD

Voting rights are determined by the 1980 values of the units.

So the voting weight of a unit with a 1980 value of 30,000 is twice as much as a unit with a 1980 value of 15,000.

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. But use the 1980 value rather than the area to calculate the weight of each unit's vote.

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