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Post: #1   PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:03 pm Reply with quote
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As we all know, immovable property tax has been abolished. By the government of Cyprus. It seems, however, that nobody told the Oroklini council. I have just received a demand from them with no less than 12 items backdated for IPT, one payment for each year from the year 2005 to 2017. And for this same one property my wife has also received an identical demand. I haven't yet found anybody else who has received such a ridiculous claim. They say they couldn't claim this before because they have been waiting for info from the land registry office - 12 years wait . I will gladly fax (I mean email) a scan of the claim to anyone who can advise me.


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Why isn't that a surprise? I've been waiting for months for them to sort out my community tax, and the Tax Office has owed me over 1k for 7 years!

Now waiting - still, for an analysis of the level of copper in the only water supply to my apartment- meanwhile I have to fetch drinking water from a garden tap or put up with the nausea etc it's causing. Methinks THEY need a tap on the head!

This Cyprus 'innit'.
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Post: #3   PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:05 am Reply with quote
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A bit off-thread, emanon. I am talking about a backdated demand for immovable property tax for every year from 2005.

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got our letters on Monday the same as you are not alone Sad Hughie in oroklini
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Re: Demand for IPT from Oroklini Council 
Post: #5   PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:28 am Reply with quote
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PatCon wrote:
As we all know, immovable property tax has been abolished. By the government of Cyprus.


Immovable Property Tax payable to the Tax Department has been abolished. However the 'local' IPT paid to the Municipality/Community has not.

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Post: #6   PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:27 am Reply with quote
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Thanks for your info, Nigel. But backdated from 2005! I might pay for 2017, but no more. They said they have only now got the info from the Land Registry office. Funny how the Tax office knew everything from the LRO but Oroklini waited 12 years for it. Who knew about two different IPTs before now?

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Thanks for your info, Nigel. But backdated from 2005! I might pay for 2017, but no more. They said they have only now got the info from the Land Registry office. Funny how the Tax office knew everything from the LRO but Oroklini waited 12 years for it. Who knew about two different IPTs before now?


You can choose not to pay anymore, but they will keep adding penalties AND you will never sell until its paid, since you will need a letter from the council to transfer your property to any new buyer, or even heirs.

They may defer tax payments in Cyprus, but they always get them in the end + interest.

Just consider yourself 'lucky' you didn't need to pay all those years Wink

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Post: #8   PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:24 am Reply with quote
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PatCon wrote:
But backdated from 2005! Who knew about two different IPTs before now?


As far as I am aware there have always been two property taxes. IPT (now abandoned) payable to the Tax Department - no UK equivalent but on a par with the 'mansion tax' that was in the news a couple of years ago.

There have been numerous questions regarding this 'local' property tax over the years - I'm surprised that after 12 years you've not heard or read about it.

Of course the Land Registry should have advised the Oroklini council much earlier.

Is this an isolated case or has it happened to others in Oroklini (apart from your wife.)

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PatCon wrote:
But backdated from 2005! Who knew about two different IPTs before now?


As far as I am aware there have always been two property taxes. IPT (now abandoned) payable to the Tax Department - no UK equivalent but on a par with the 'mansion tax' that was in the news a couple of years ago.

There have been numerous questions regarding this 'local' property tax over the years - I'm surprised that after 12 years you've not heard or read about it.

Of course the Land Registry should have advised the Oroklini council much earlier.

Is this an isolated case or has it happened to others in Oroklini (apart from your wife.)

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Nigel, all Oroklini residents are getting these letters.

I recently did a transfer of a property of my own and went to get the said letter from the council. They informed me that I needed to settle up my IPT (surpise to me) that I hadn't paid for years, so I asked 'how do we know we need to pay this??' She pointed out that on the council tax bill it asks you to pay this as it is not done via the bank (since my community tax is settle by DD) . Well I never notice this comment before, so now I know!

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Post: #10   PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:35 am Reply with quote
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No Nigel, I've heard from quite a few who have got the demands, possibly all property owners here.in Oroklini.
But I'm going into denial. Maybe a hacker will destroy all their records and the local council staff will get an infectious form of amnesia. Or they'll all feel sorry for me and let me off?

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Hi is this the same tax you have to pay back to the builder .on tranfer of the deeds to your name , are we talking big numbers per year ,
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kokkinos wrote:
Hi is this the same tax you have to pay back to the builder .on tranfer of the deeds to your name , are we talking big numbers per year ,


NO, you already have your deeds so you will pay the council. The numbers are very small. Wink
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pantheman wrote:
kokkinos wrote:
Hi is this the same tax you have to pay back to the builder .on tranfer of the deeds to your name , are we talking big numbers per year ,


NO, you already have your deeds so you will pay the council. The numbers are very small. Wink

Can't agree "very small", Pan. All relative, of course, but they want 218 from me.

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PatCon wrote:
pantheman wrote:
kokkinos wrote:
Hi is this the same tax you have to pay back to the builder .on tranfer of the deeds to your name , are we talking big numbers per year ,


NO, you already have your deeds so you will pay the council. The numbers are very small. Wink

Can't agree "very small", Pan. All relative, of course, but they want 218 from me.



Sounds small to me............................

Have you ever paid Council Tax in the UK? If you have you'll realise it is small, very small.
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bubblechris wrote:
PatCon wrote:
pantheman wrote:
kokkinos wrote:
Hi is this the same tax you have to pay back to the builder .on tranfer of the deeds to your name , are we talking big numbers per year ,


NO, you already have your deeds so you will pay the council. The numbers are very small. Wink

Can't agree "very small", Pan. All relative, of course, but they want 218 from me.



Sounds small to me............................

Have you ever paid Council Tax in the UK? If you have you'll realise it is small, very small.

218 = two month's council tax for my 2 up 2 down terrace cottage in Devon (with the sole occupancy disc) when I left more than 10yrs ago, so it sounds VERY small to me too!

As does my present 240 ANNUAL Municipality tax here! When I first came to Cyprus Mun Tax was just 70 a yr I couldn't BELIEVE it
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PatCon wrote:
pantheman wrote:
kokkinos wrote:
Hi is this the same tax you have to pay back to the builder .on tranfer of the deeds to your name , are we talking big numbers per year ,


NO, you already have your deeds so you will pay the council. The numbers are very small. Wink

Can't agree "very small", Pan. All relative, of course, but they want 218 from me.


Yes but over how many years..? Its hardly a bank breaking about. Come on Patcon, don't be such a grouch 😊
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Post: #17   PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:29 am Reply with quote
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Are we getting a bit confused here? Do people believe we are talking about council service charges, known in the UK as rates? The IPT in Oroklini is an extra charge on top of the rates. This is wasted money: 3,000 sq.m. of local council offices built in 2003 for only 11 employees, 2 theaters in it, equipped with expensive sound systems almost never used, total cost 4.7 million euros but debt today is 12,000 euros (unpaid). 100 office chairs unused. One theater used as storage room. Source: Onoufrios Socratous, journalist, 27.04.2017.
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Post: #18   PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:27 am Reply with quote
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If you didn't own your property in 2005 would you still be liable? How can they charge for years you have already paid to the tax office, confused?

People may think it's a small amount, but when you ask the council to explain to you what it's for and they cant they just say everyone has to pay it, it's a bit of an insult, especially if you haven't budgeted for it, and when you paid it to the tax office you got a large discount for paying early.

Not everyone in Cyprus has loads of money, some have a tight budget to live on!

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Thanks PatCon for answering a long-standing question that I had: in the 3+ years I've lived in Oroklini, passing the Council Offices almost daily at various times, I always wondered why I'd never seen any staff going in or coming out but if that figure of 11 employees still stands or indeed if it's been added to by the odd one or two perhaps they go out by the back door. Or perhaps they just turn up to collect their pay slips?

I knew there was one theatre, I didn't realise there were two with one being used as a storage room. What a pity someone doesn't suggest at a council meeting using the theatres throughout the year for concerts, plays, presentations by various organisations etc thus generating some revenue via ticket sales or room hire fees. Or would that be too much clear thinking for the Council?


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Post: #20   PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:42 pm Reply with quote
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Milano, stop talking common sense - we are talking about Oroklini council Cool . Perhaps they need this extra money to build an extension to add to their 3,000 sq.m. or to buy some more office chairs. Wonder who the chair salesman is, perhaps the guy here who drives a Daimler, relatively rich (pun intended) Question

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