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Post: #61   PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:24 am Reply with quote
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mouse wrote:
mouse wrote:
Mr Tibbs wrote:
mouse wrote:
Mr Tibbs wrote:
But that’s the whole point of the Speaker, he’s not supposed to have an “opinion”. Except those relating to parliamentary procedure and protocol.

He does actually have a vote. On the very rare occasions where the ayes and nays tie. Even then though his conduct is strictly regulated.

I suspect, had he shown a similar bias in the Leave cause you would be singing an entirely different tune. Wink

BTW. Remainers, although fond of frequently using the word to justify their stance, are anything but democrats.


Isn't Democracy about being able to change your mind.

As a former Brexiteer on here has.


‘You” didn’t change your mind. You simply refused to accept the result. Consequently, there’s been a 39 month, internecine, endless flow of acrimonious exchanges across a widening national divide. That, coupled with a mix ‘n’ pick of schemes various concocted to thwart the vote. That’s not Democracy, no matter how it’s dressed up.

If they want a test of people’s minds the answers simple. Even that’s being denied us though, by a Labour Party which, having called for a General Election regularly for 2 years, now refuses one in order to use the situation for its own political motives.

I hope you get Corbyn. That would be Karma.




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Who said me, read my post again. I said a former Brexiteer.

He is a new member who quite eloquently voiced his opinion and gave his reasons.

As I have said many times I do not like Corbyn and do not trust him either.
(how many times do I have to say that)

I did not vote first time round and would not again if given the opportunity, and yes I do accept the vote, but I disagree with the outcome, But I do reserve the right to talk and discuss the subject. As is my right in a free and Democratic society or do you disagree with that.

Or do you think what a lot of Right winger Brexiteers think.

" We should just go quietly in to the night."

" We must obey". And not question.


Looks like that is the way of things now Kevin . The I'm alright Jack attitude has taken over. 😭
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Post: #62   PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:08 am Reply with quote
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Mr Tibbs wrote:
Woodrow Why?at wrote:
Mr Tibbs wrote:
Woodrow Why?at wrote:
And I'd settle for Corbyn, thanks!😱


I know it goes against the grain but you might want to look into that a bit.

For a person of your principle motivation it would turn out to be very much a case of “Be careful what you wish for”.


You may be surprised how much I look into issues, what my principle motivation is and, indeed, what I wish for! Cool


Not really.


Fairy nuff! As long as you're happy to carry on making false assumptions!! Rolling Eyes

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Post: #63   PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:12 am Reply with quote
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clive of payia wrote:
Pound to Euro 1.12 last I looked. Or is that bad news on here?


Is it good news!

When woody started a thread in July 1017 it was called Pound at 1.12.

Remember it crashed to 1.12.

So is it good news.

Brexiteer logic, strange..


Strange, yes but in all honesty to be expected Wink

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Post: #64   PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:18 am Reply with quote
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scottie wrote:
mouse wrote:
mouse wrote:
Mr Tibbs wrote:
mouse wrote:
Mr Tibbs wrote:
But that’s the whole point of the Speaker, he’s not supposed to have an “opinion”. Except those relating to parliamentary procedure and protocol.

He does actually have a vote. On the very rare occasions where the ayes and nays tie. Even then though his conduct is strictly regulated.

I suspect, had he shown a similar bias in the Leave cause you would be singing an entirely different tune. Wink

BTW. Remainers, although fond of frequently using the word to justify their stance, are anything but democrats.


Isn't Democracy about being able to change your mind.

As a former Brexiteer on here has.


‘You” didn’t change your mind. You simply refused to accept the result. Consequently, there’s been a 39 month, internecine, endless flow of acrimonious exchanges across a widening national divide. That, coupled with a mix ‘n’ pick of schemes various concocted to thwart the vote. That’s not Democracy, no matter how it’s dressed up.

If they want a test of people’s minds the answers simple. Even that’s being denied us though, by a Labour Party which, having called for a General Election regularly for 2 years, now refuses one in order to use the situation for its own political motives.

I hope you get Corbyn. That would be Karma.




Rolling Eyes
Who said me, read my post again. I said a former Brexiteer.

He is a new member who quite eloquently voiced his opinion and gave his reasons.

As I have said many times I do not like Corbyn and do not trust him either.
(how many times do I have to say that)

I did not vote first time round and would not again if given the opportunity, and yes I do accept the vote, but I disagree with the outcome, But I do reserve the right to talk and discuss the subject. As is my right in a free and Democratic society or do you disagree with that.

Or do you think what a lot of Right winger Brexiteers think.

" We should just go quietly in to the night."

" We must obey". And not question.


Looks like that is the way of things now Kevin . The I'm alright Jack attitude has taken over. 😭


Seems you are right scottie, if they can't answer a simple question they ignore it.

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Post: #65   PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:29 am Reply with quote
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Well the inevitable has happened and one of my lifelong friends businesses has been put in the hands of the receiver, 38 years of building a business up only to see it fail because of the idiots in parliament. The likes of Johnson, Cameron, May simply do not give a toss about smaller businesses. I feel ashamed to say I was a Tory voter before this debacle.
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Post: #66   PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:15 am Reply with quote
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Andrea Leadsom has said that the Government do not want to release the 'Yellowhammer' report because the contents would "concern people" !! Shocked

Anybody who doesn't find that concerning? Confused Brick wall

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Post: #67   PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:13 pm Reply with quote
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Looks like the Scottish courts have scuppered his plan !!!
Hope not too many took off for sunnier shores in the meantime . Because it looks like the five week holiday may be curtailed lol


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Post: #68   PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:17 pm Reply with quote
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mouse wrote:
scottie wrote:
mouse wrote:
mouse wrote:
Mr Tibbs wrote:
mouse wrote:
Mr Tibbs wrote:
But that’s the whole point of the Speaker, he’s not supposed to have an “opinion”. Except those relating to parliamentary procedure and protocol.

He does actually have a vote. On the very rare occasions where the ayes and nays tie. Even then though his conduct is strictly regulated.

I suspect, had he shown a similar bias in the Leave cause you would be singing an entirely different tune. Wink

BTW. Remainers, although fond of frequently using the word to justify their stance, are anything but democrats.


Isn't Democracy about being able to change your mind.

As a former Brexiteer on here has.


‘You” didn’t change your mind. You simply refused to accept the result. Consequently, there’s been a 39 month, internecine, endless flow of acrimonious exchanges across a widening national divide. That, coupled with a mix ‘n’ pick of schemes various concocted to thwart the vote. That’s not Democracy, no matter how it’s dressed up.

If they want a test of people’s minds the answers simple. Even that’s being denied us though, by a Labour Party which, having called for a General Election regularly for 2 years, now refuses one in order to use the situation for its own political motives.

I hope you get Corbyn. That would be Karma.




Rolling Eyes
Who said me, read my post again. I said a former Brexiteer.

He is a new member who quite eloquently voiced his opinion and gave his reasons.

As I have said many times I do not like Corbyn and do not trust him either.
(how many times do I have to say that)

I did not vote first time round and would not again if given the opportunity, and yes I do accept the vote, but I disagree with the outcome, But I do reserve the right to talk and discuss the subject. As is my right in a free and Democratic society or do you disagree with that.

Or do you think what a lot of Right winger Brexiteers think.

" We should just go quietly in to the night."

" We must obey". And not question.


Looks like that is the way of things now Kevin . The I'm alright Jack attitude has taken over. 😭


Seems you are right scottie, if they can't answer a simple question they ignore it.


There was a question?

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Post: #69   PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:42 pm Reply with quote
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Hudswell wrote:
mouse wrote:
scottie wrote:
mouse wrote:
mouse wrote:
Mr Tibbs wrote:
mouse wrote:
Mr Tibbs wrote:
But that’s the whole point of the Speaker, he’s not supposed to have an “opinion”. Except those relating to parliamentary procedure and protocol.

He does actually have a vote. On the very rare occasions where the ayes and nays tie. Even then though his conduct is strictly regulated.

I suspect, had he shown a similar bias in the Leave cause you would be singing an entirely different tune. Wink

BTW. Remainers, although fond of frequently using the word to justify their stance, are anything but democrats.


Isn't Democracy about being able to change your mind.

As a former Brexiteer on here has.


‘You” didn’t change your mind. You simply refused to accept the result. Consequently, there’s been a 39 month, internecine, endless flow of acrimonious exchanges across a widening national divide. That, coupled with a mix ‘n’ pick of schemes various concocted to thwart the vote. That’s not Democracy, no matter how it’s dressed up.

If they want a test of people’s minds the answers simple. Even that’s being denied us though, by a Labour Party which, having called for a General Election regularly for 2 years, now refuses one in order to use the situation for its own political motives.

I hope you get Corbyn. That would be Karma.




Rolling Eyes
Who said me, read my post again. I said a former Brexiteer.

He is a new member who quite eloquently voiced his opinion and gave his reasons.

As I have said many times I do not like Corbyn and do not trust him either.
(how many times do I have to say that)

I did not vote first time round and would not again if given the opportunity, and yes I do accept the vote, but I disagree with the outcome, But I do reserve the right to talk and discuss the subject. As is my right in a free and Democratic society or do you disagree with that.

Or do you think what a lot of Right winger Brexiteers think.

" We should just go quietly in to the night."

" We must obey". And not question.


Looks like that is the way of things now Kevin . The I'm alright Jack attitude has taken over. 😭


Seems you are right scottie, if they can't answer a simple question they ignore it.


There was a question?


Well yes, but it was directed at Tibbs as he could not of read my earlier post, but you just ignore the question if you like.
You know, the part that says do you want us to go quietly in to the night.

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Post: #70   PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:53 pm Reply with quote
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scottie wrote:
Looks like the Scottish courts have scuppered his plan !!!
Hope not too many took off for sunnier shores on the meantime . Because it looks like the five week holiday may be curtailed lol


These days nothing can be taken for granted - an appeal is to be heard on
Tuesday at the English Supreme Court - which I believe has already made
one ruling that it was legal in the recent case brought by Gina Miller.

What's the odds that the Scottish Court rules it unlawful and the English
Court rules it lawful - what a strange constitutional mess that would make Shocked

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mouse wrote:
Hudswell wrote:
mouse wrote:
Seems you are right scottie, if they can't answer a simple question they ignore it.


There was a question?


Well yes, but it was directed at Tibbs as he could not of read my earlier post, but you just ignore the question if you like.
You know, the part that says do you want us to go quietly in to the night.


To be fair it looked like a statement rather a question - no ?

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Post: #72   PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:23 pm Reply with quote
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Steve - SJD wrote:
scottie wrote:
Looks like the Scottish courts have scuppered his plan !!!
Hope not too many took off for sunnier shores on the meantime . Because it looks like the five week holiday may be curtailed lol


These days nothing can be taken for granted - an appeal is to be heard on
Tuesday at the English Supreme Court - which I believe has already made
one ruling that it was legal in the recent case brought by Gina Miller.

What's the odds that the Scottish Court rules it unlawful and the English
Court rules it lawful - what a strange constitutional mess that would make Shocked

Cheers

Steve


Bet the lady in Buck house is a bit worried lol
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I read it as Scottish Courts of Law, which only have legality in Scotland, cannot reopen the UK Parliament thats governed by UK (English) law. The Supreme Court of the UK, which sits on Tuesday has the final say & will support the UK Government. Unless of course the Scottish Courts wish to issue an arrest warrant for the Queen. This Scottish action changes nothing.

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clive of payia wrote:
I read it as Scottish Courts of Law, which only have legality in Scotland, cannot reopen the UK Parliament thats governed by UK (English) law. The Supreme Court of the UK, which sits on Tuesday has the final say & will support the UK Government. Unless of course the Scottish Courts wish to issue an arrest warrant for the Queen. This Scottish action changes nothing.


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scottie wrote:
Bet the lady in Buck house is a bit worried lol

Don't understand - why would she be worried?? This ruling made clear it was the Govt. at fault.

clive of payia wrote:
This Scottish action changes nothing.


I wouldn't say nothing - it certainly adds to the pressure on the PM and
for a court regardless of location to rule in such a way and on the basis
they did cannot be seen as good.

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clive of payia wrote:
I read it as Scottish Courts of Law, which only have legality in Scotland, cannot reopen the UK Parliament thats governed by UK (English) law. The Supreme Court of the UK, which sits on Tuesday has the final say & will support the UK Government. Unless of course the Scottish Courts wish to issue an arrest warrant for the Queen. This Scottish action changes nothing.


Are you sure about your facts ? I don't think so
Think if you are it is time for independence. However it could become the biggest constitutional mess in recent history.
One more thing , when did the UK become English . The arrogance of some lol
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Woodrow Why?at wrote:
Fairy nuff! As long as you're happy to carry on making false assumptions!!


Your principal motivation has always been financial. You've little knowledge of and no real interest at all in the EU and its workings. Your 3 year+ campaign on this forum against Brexit originated from the disruptive effect it's had on your life - mostly the wallet bit. Despite the fact that - actually - Brexit hasn't happened yet.

These are not "false assumptions".

If Corbyn becomes PM, (as is quite possible) at the head of a neo-Marxist government, with grandiose "let's get back to the 70s" ideas then all your endless complaints about Brexit, which, like all remainers, will have helped bring about his success, could pale into insignificance compared to the consequences. I really can't wait.

Kevin.

As much as I would love to sit all day, hands hovering over the keyboard in eager anticipation of your next few sentences Mrs T, and her black belt, tend to see it from a different perspective. Wink

mouse wrote:
As I have said many times I do not like Corbyn and do not trust him either.
(how many times do I have to say that)

I did not vote first time round and would not again if given the opportunity, and yes I do accept the vote, but I disagree with the outcome, But I do reserve the right to talk and discuss the subject. As is my right in a free and Democratic society or do you disagree with that.
As I hav
Or do you think what a lot of Right winger Brexiteers think.

" We should just go quietly in to the night."

" We must obey". And not question.


1. It doesn't matter whether you like or trust Corbyn. My point is that all of the Remainers' efforts could quite possibly bring about the (largely) unintended consequence of his becoming PM.

2. If you didn't vote and could then you only have yourself to blame for the consequences.

3. Who's said that you don't have the right to talk about the subject? Confused

4. To a lot of Remainers it seems that the majority who voted to leave the EU are "extremists" or "right wingers". It's all part and parcel of the endless slagging off campaign we've had to put up with. All of which has just actually served to harden opinion.

(Do not) Go quietly (gentle) into the (that good) night is a poem by Dylan Thomas. I'm not sure how it has anything to do with this subject. It can be said with absolute certainty though that nobody could ever accuse remainers of "going quietly" (aka accepting a majority democratic national vote result). Neither could it be said that any of them have ever "accepted and obeyed". What a load of nonsense.

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Looks like that is the way of things now Kevin . The I'm alright Jack attitude has taken over.
.

I really don't understand what you're trying to say there Scottie. Personally I can assure you that when it comes to this subject I am definitely not "alright Jack" and for very good reasons. I'd thought from your early on posts that you felt the same way.

mouse wrote:
Seems you are right scottie, if they can't answer a simple question they ignore it.


See above. Sometimes your "questions" are similar to Woody's.

Steve - SJD wrote:
These days nothing can be taken for granted - an appeal is to be heard on Tuesday at the English Supreme Court - which I believe has already made one ruling that it was legal in the recent case brought by Gina Miller.

What's the odds that the Scottish Court rules it unlawful and the English
Court rules it lawful - what a strange constitutional mess that would make


I believe that Miller's case was heard by the High Court in London. The Supreme court is just that, so there will be no national contradiction in their judgement on Tuesday.

Remainers of course leave no stone unturned in their pursuit of stopping Brexit. However, the idea that they'll kill it off with litigation is IMHO a pipe dream. As has been said many times - the genie's out of the bottle.

It seems that we're now governed by the judiciary and not our elected representatives, Which, given recent events, I suppose you could view as an improvement. Personally I really can't see what matters of State, involving the Government, Queen and Parliament have to do with a bunch of judges. Confused

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Post: #78   PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:40 pm Reply with quote
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Mr Tibbs wrote:
scottie wrote:
Looks like that is the way of things now Kevin . The I'm alright Jack attitude has taken over.
.

I really don't understand what you're trying to say there Scottie. Personally I can assure you that when it comes to this subject I am definitely not "alright Jack" and for very good reasons. I'd thought from your early on posts that you felt the same way.




My answer was not directed at you Tibbs , it was in general . I was referring to the lethargic attitude the public have in For the last few years that lot in Westminster have made some outrageous decisions which would have brought people out in the streets . We do seem to have become a nation of lemmings and just a shrug of the shoulders or a rant on some forum or other seems to suffice .
Thank goodness in this case we do have the judiciary to intervene . This buffoon has to be stopped somehow and if this works it has to be for the good of the country.
Good God years ago parliament would be having all night sittings, working weekends just to sort this mess out but no , what do we have 5 weeks bloody holiday !!! The lunatics have indeed taken over the asylum Twisted Evil
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. This buffoon has to be stopped somehow and if this works it has to be for the good of the country.
Good God years ago parliament would be having all night sittings, working weekends just to sort this mess out but no , what do we have 5 weeks bloody holiday !!! The lunatics have indeed taken over the asylum Twisted Evil


If your sentiment's widely shared Scottie I think the answer is to have a General Election and be done with the man. Bring on JC. However .................

I'm not going to look it up right now but have a feeling that Parliament used to get a 3 month summer break and that was the case for donkey's years. Cameron changed it I believe to 6 weeks for some reason. I stand to be corrected. So there's nothing extraordinary about the current 5 weeks. You could say it's a big improvement. Very Happy Then again, some people were happier when they disappeared for the old 3 months, or in fact think that they should get much longer away. Laughing

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Mr Tibbs wrote:
scottie wrote:
. This buffoon has to be stopped somehow and if this works it has to be for the good of the country.
Good God years ago parliament would be having all night sittings, working weekends just to sort this mess out but no , what do we have 5 weeks bloody holiday !!! The lunatics have indeed taken over the asylum Twisted Evil


If your sentiment's widely shared Scottie I think the answer is to have a General Election and be done with the man. Bring on JC. However .................

I'm not going to look it up right now but have a feeling that Parliament used to get a 3 month summer break and that was the case for donkey's years. Cameron changed it I believe to 6 weeks for some reason. I stand to be corrected. So there's nothing extraordinary about the current 5 weeks. You could say it's a big improvement. Very Happy Then again, some people were happier when they disappeared for the old 3 months, or in fact think that they should get much longer away. Laughing


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