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Post: #1   PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:22 pm Reply with quote
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I've just seen the SKY News interview with Shammima Begum, the ISIS bride who now wants to return to the UK. In my opinion the interview should be shown to all 12-18 year olds in every school throughout the UK, if for no other reason than try to turn them away from any similar thoughts or online radicalisation to "live the dream" for the Caliphate or Islam; or at least give them food for thought. She admits having no regrets or remorse for joining ISIS but it was chilling to listen to her and see her never-changing expression or tone of voice, even when the reporter asked about her new 1 day old baby. And equally chilling if not more so, was seeing the woman sitting at the side of Begum, dressed from head to foot in black, including black woollen gloves, with just her eyes showing.


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Post: #2   PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:38 pm Reply with quote
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Should show it, but should not let her back in.

She chose her course and life and of course no remorse for what she has done.

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Post: #3   PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:22 pm Reply with quote
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Her child is British, how can you debar a child of 24 - 48 hours from its own country?

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Post: #4   PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:20 pm Reply with quote
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Kwacka wrote:
Her child is British, how can you debar a child of 24 - 48 hours from its own country?


She is British, husband Dutch, baby born in Syria !
So can baby have a choice of passport?

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Post: #5   PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:30 pm Reply with quote
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It can, I believe, but it's not old enough to actually apply for a passport. but with a dead dad it only means that mother can apply for passport.

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Post: #6   PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:35 pm Reply with quote
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Kwacka wrote:
Her child is British, how can you debar a child of 24 - 48 hours from its own country?


Very easily..

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Post: #7   PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:07 am Reply with quote
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Her child is British, how can you debar a child of 24 - 48 hours from its own country?


Very easily..


I don't believe you can, either morally or legally.

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Post: #8   PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:19 am Reply with quote
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It doesn't sit well that she should be allowed back into the UK but legally I
don't think we are able to prevent that by making her stateless.

I understand the argument that she was brainwashed when she was
younger but believe that at some point you have to take responsibility.

She should be allowed back in but arrested on arrival and charged with
whatever offence they can make stick - including treason imo.

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Post: #9   PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:21 am Reply with quote
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Kwacka.
I wasn't aware the child's father was dead. I believe he handed himself over to authorities in Syria. Shamima then sneaked away to the safety of the refugee camps at the border.
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Post: #10   PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:28 am Reply with quote
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Kwacka wrote:
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Her child is British, how can you debar a child of 24 - 48 hours from its own country?


Very easily..


I don't believe you can, either morally or legally.

Legally maybe not but morally you have to be joking, watching the interviews she gives, there is no remorse even condoning the attack at the MEN. She and her offspring should be treated as enemy combatants and she should be tried for treason, she is a danger to people in the UK and should not be allowed back and neither should her kid. She has even named it after Jihadi warrior, remorse, I don`t think so.

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Post: #11   PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:44 am Reply with quote
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C Mac wrote:
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I wasn't aware the child's father was dead. I believe he handed himself over to authorities in Syria. Shamima then sneaked away to the safety of the refugee camps at the border.


Neither was I, any articles about him never refer to him in the past tense and I cannot find anything to say he is dead.

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Post: #12   PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:37 am Reply with quote
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She didn't mention her husband being dead in the interview, just said she didn't know where he was.

As to her being allowed back into UK - NO ! never mind icounselling, rehabilitation and any other excuse. As for the suggestion that her parents made that they could look after her child surely that just should not happen in any circumstance. It was only a pity that they didn't look after and control their daughter better.


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Post: #13   PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:19 am Reply with quote
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Think the majority are saying the same, she shouldn't be allowed back to be given a home, benefits etc. As the saying goes, she made her bed....

If she is allowed back, would you be comfortable sitting on the same plane as her.

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Post: #14   PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:32 am Reply with quote
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As Mouse once posted there are no bad dogs only bad owners.What chance does this baby have with the parents that begot him? he did not ask to be born to terrorists,so I believe he should be pitied, his life will certainly not be happy or normal unless someone will give him a chance
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Post: #15   PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:52 pm Reply with quote
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Jacs wrote:
Think the majority are saying the same, she shouldn't be allowed back to be given a home, benefits etc. As the saying goes, she made her bed....

If she is allowed back, would you be comfortable sitting on the same plane as her.


It's a tough one Jacs for sure and certainly has the nation talking.

I understand where you are coming from but legally I don't think we can
prevent her from returning. Once here though we should look at what laws
she has broken and charge her accordingly.

As a country we shouldn't break international law on a per case basis
- we're better than that.

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Post: #16   PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:29 pm Reply with quote
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Steve - SJD wrote:


I understand where you are coming from but legally I don't think we can
prevent her from returning. Once here though we should look at what laws
she has broken and charge her accordingly.


As they've said that no one is going to come to assist her in leaving Syria she will have to make her own way to the nearest consulate to get help. Think they said that the nearest are in either Iran or Iraq!
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Post: #17   PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:36 pm Reply with quote
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Looks like the Govt. have withdrawn her UK citizenship now:
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Post: #18   PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:02 pm Reply with quote
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Looks like the Govt. have withdrawn her UK citizenship now:
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I think thats the right thing to do, in this case

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Kwacka wrote:
sugarray1955 wrote:
Kwacka wrote:
Her child is British, how can you debar a child of 24 - 48 hours from its own country?


Very easily..


I don't believe you can, either morally or legally.


It looks like you were wrong on the legal aspect, quote below taken from BBC article SJD posted.



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sugarray1955 wrote:
Kwacka wrote:
sugarray1955 wrote:
Kwacka wrote:
Her child is British, how can you debar a child of 24 - 48 hours from its own country?


Very easily..


I don't believe you can, either morally or legally.


It looks like you were wrong on the legal aspect, quote below taken from BBC article SJD posted.



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I believe that's only possible as the mother won't be left stateless so
can have her UK Citizenship removed.

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