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Post: #1   PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:10 pm Reply with quote
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Just seen the For Britain party's election leaflet - it's put out either by liars or it's an appeal to the 'average voter'.


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Post: #2   PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:16 pm Reply with quote
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Unfortunately their are those who walk among us who actually believe in such rubbish.

And to make it worse they are allowed to vote.

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Is it a joke? Are they legal?

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The For Britain Movement is a minor far-right political party in the United Kingdom, founded by the anti-Islam activist Anne Marie Waters after she was defeated in the 2017 UKIP leadership election.


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Anne Marie Waters (born 24 August 1977) is a far-right politician in the United Kingdom. She is the founder and leader of the anti-Islam party For Britain. She is also the director of Sharia Watch UK, an organisation launched in April 2014. In January 2016, Waters launched Pegida UK in conjunction with activist Tommy Robinson and far-right politician Paul Weston.

Having unsuccessfully attempted to become a Labour Party parliamentary candidate, Waters joined the UK Independence Party (UKIP) and stood in its 2017 leadership election. She came second, with Henry Bolton winning. She subsequently left UKIP to form her own party, "For Britain", in October 2017.

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I can't read it clearly but if it's a manifesto htf can it be all lies?
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bubblechris wrote:
I can't read it clearly but if it's a manifesto htf can it be all lies?


Ah that`s the reason for your abstract posts then Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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sugarray1955 wrote:
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I can't read it clearly but if it's a manifesto htf can it be all lies?


Ah that`s the reason for your abstract posts then Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


Another moronic comment that is not funny in the least.

Now I've read it on my pc what exactly do you consider a lie? Apart from that what do you dislike that they have called for?
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bubblechris wrote:
Now I've read it on my pc what exactly do you consider a lie? Apart from that what do you dislike that they have called for?


Most of it is nonsense simply designed to appeal to a certain target
audience - not sure what part you think is right.

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Post: #9   PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:58 pm Reply with quote
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Steve - SJD wrote:
bubblechris wrote:
Now I've read it on my pc what exactly do you consider a lie? Apart from that what do you dislike that they have called for?


Most of it is nonsense simply designed to appeal to a certain target
audience - not sure what part you think is right.

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Non of it is right but unfortunately they will probably gain allot of "protest votes" with some people venting their anger at the two main political groups.
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DAC wrote:
Steve - SJD wrote:
bubblechris wrote:
Now I've read it on my pc what exactly do you consider a lie? Apart from that what do you dislike that they have called for?


Most of it is nonsense simply designed to appeal to a certain target
audience - not sure what part you think is right.

Cheers

Steve


Non of it is right but unfortunately they will probably gain allot of "protest votes" with some people venting their anger at the two main political groups.


To say none of it is right (correct?) means that you support all the things they are against like forced marriage etc. and don't agree with things like taking the low paid out of taxation. Really?

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stop all immigration for 5 years - no Sri Lankan and Philipeno nurses to fill the vacancies in the NHS. No more non-British neuro-surgeons, use the ones that are signing on the dole.
Want cheap lettuce? Go and work in the fields, loser!

deport all illegal immigrants - the clue is in the word 'illegal'. If they're 'illegal immigrants' they are deported now.
BTW, remember Home Secretary May's get tough policy on illegal immigration?

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How much compensation is the UK government paying out to LEGAL British residents who were refused re-admission to the UK?

Abolish 14 billion foreign aid, invest in NHS, schools care for elderly -
How foreign aid is spent:
36%- Multilateral (e.g. via U.N.)
64% - bilateral:
    15% Humanitarian
    13% Multisector
    13% Government and civil society (often in the form of UK manufactured goods, e.g. arms)
    12% Health
    11% Education

Leave the EU now. No more betrayals. Nobody has been 'betrayed'. Leaving the EU is still on course. We don't know how many voted 'leave today' (as opposed to 'leave the EU in a way that causes least disruption to the UK') in the referendum so any discussion of 'betrayal' is playing to the crowd.

Reduce taxation for the lower paid
- reducing direct taxation for the poor also means reducing taxation for the rich, unless you introduce a 'super tax' bracket for the likes of Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg, & Nigel Farage.
Reducing indirect taxation (e.g. VAT) means that everybody pays the same amount.

Abolish all green taxes. Whatever you do, listen to Trump and people who have huge amounts of cash tied up in hydrocarbons instead of a secret, international cabal of climate scientists who are trying to con us all.

Remove all Marxist & Islamic doctrination from schools. Define 'Marxist' Do they really mean Marxist, or do they mean any history teacher that suggests that Hitler was a baddie (He was a 'National Socialist wasn't he?)).
Should they also ban Christian and Judaist indoctrination (they're all the same deity)?

scrap HS2, use 70 billion to improve roads/rail system - does this mean spend the money improving London's rail/road system, instead of wasting it on a different part of the country?

stop sharia law - Yes, get rid of sharia law wherever it is used for cases of speeding, murder, fraud, etc. Stop the stoning of adulterers and the amputation of hands of thieves.Also ban calls for the death sentence or flogging.


stop all non-stun religious slaughter & live exports
- the Jewish communities aren't gong to be happy with that.

stop FGM. forced marriage, child marriage & grooming gangs - I seem to remember that all of these have led to prosecutions in the (non-sharia) British courts.
(BTW, pointing out that these are already illegal does not imply, in any way, support for these practices)
BTW, should 'honour killings' be allowed?

Ban the burqa - Ban ALL public displays of religion. Get rid of the 26 unelected bishops sitting in the House of Lords.

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Post: #12   PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:27 pm Reply with quote
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kanebill wrote:
DAC wrote:
Steve - SJD wrote:
bubblechris wrote:
Now I've read it on my pc what exactly do you consider a lie? Apart from that what do you dislike that they have called for?


Most of it is nonsense simply designed to appeal to a certain target
audience - not sure what part you think is right.

Cheers

Steve


Non of it is right but unfortunately they will probably gain allot of "protest votes" with some people venting their anger at the two main political groups.


To say none of it is right (correct?) means that you support all the things they are against like forced marriage etc. and don't agree with things like taking the low paid out of taxation. Really?


I knew that would be a red rag to a bull.

Forced marriage and any other issue related to religion -

We are told, normally by the BBC, that we live in a progressive society and that we have to be accepting of other cultures. So, to that end and given that we have a system of law and order, anyone being forced into a marriage has a legal avenue to protect them but whether they choose to follow and use it is entirely up to them and us at 'outsiders' are not allowed to have an opinion that might conflict with that of another culture.

Take the low paid out of TAX -

That all depends upon your view of what "low paid" is as here in the UK the tax threshold is £12,500 with the minimum wage being £8.21 per hour possibly rising much higher by the end of this parliament. My first job I worked 18 hours in the Co Op for a pay of £21 or £1.16 an hour and I thought I was loaded. So again, much depends upon someones perspective of what they're actually worth or what they need to lead the lifestyle that they aspire to.

Green taxes

These taxes would be fully justifiable IF the money raised by them was actually used to improve the things that has an impact on the environment and wasn't just fed into the general taxation pot.

People harp on about plastics destroying the seas when the truth of the matter is that the plastic isn't the entire problem. Many plastic items have a very long and sustainable use and last years and years. However, the problems that are created by them comes at the end of the items use when the local authority has NOT invested in the facilities to recycle them. We put the plastics, cardboard and glass in the relevant bins but what happens with them after that is totally out of our control, and just raising more taxes doesn't fix it. Back in 2001 I was in northern Norway and even then that had a plastics deposit scheme in full flow yet some 18/19 years later here in the UK they still can't make a decision about a scheme being put in place as everyone in positions of power are to busy arguing the toss over who's going to pay for it.
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Post: #13   PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:41 pm Reply with quote
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The problem with this ignorant , uneducated c**p is , that they will always slip in something like " forced marriages " , which is something of course none of us would agree with but it does give them the ideal answer to any criticism you may make about the rubbish printed .
The more I see in social media , the more worried I become .
These people wait until the country is in some sort of trouble and come out in force. What amazes me is the number of people who appear to support them and the very small number who speak out against them .
By not speaking out we are condoning these morons
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DAC wrote:
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To say none of it is right (correct?) means that you support all the things they are against like forced marriage etc. and don't agree with things like taking the low paid out of taxation. Really?


I knew that would be a red rag to a bull.

Forced marriage and any other issue related to religion -

We are told, normally by the BBC, that we live in a progressive society and that we have to be accepting of other cultures. So, to that end and given that we have a system of law and order, anyone being forced into a marriage has a legal avenue to protect them but whether they choose to follow and use it is entirely up to them and us at 'outsiders' are not allowed to have an opinion that might conflict with that of another culture.


I've never heard or seen that reported by the BBC or any reputable news outlet.

Do you have a link for such comments, please?

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Take the low paid out of TAX -

That all depends upon your view of what "low paid" is as here in the UK the tax threshold is £12,500 with the minimum wage being £8.21 per hour possibly rising much higher by the end of this parliament. My first job I worked 18 hours in the Co Op for a pay of £21 or £1.16 an hour and I thought I was loaded. So again, much depends upon someones perspective of what they're actually worth or what they need to lead the lifestyle that they aspire to.


How much was a loaf of bread when you were 18? How much was your bus fare to work when you were 18? How much was a gallon of petrol?

If they were the same price as today your argument is valid - if not, it isn't.

DAC wrote:


Green taxes

These taxes would be fully justifiable IF the money raised by them was actually used to improve the things that has an impact on the environment and wasn't just fed into the general taxation pot.



DAC wrote:


People harp on about plastics destroying the seas when the truth of the matter is that the plastic isn't the entire problem. Many plastic items have a very long and sustainable use and last years and years. However, the problems that are created by them comes at the end of the items use when the local authority has NOT invested in the facilities to recycle them. We put the plastics, cardboard and glass in the relevant bins but what happens with them after that is totally out of our control, and just raising more taxes doesn't fix it. Back in 2001 I was in northern Norway and even then that had a plastics deposit scheme in full flow yet some 18/19 years later here in the UK they still can't make a decision about a scheme being put in place as everyone in positions of power are to busy arguing the toss over who's going to pay for it.


Yes, plastics have been in use for several decades, and the oldest discovered in the sea was from the 1960s (it was reported yesterday). A dead sperm whale on the Spanish coast (it was reported one year ago) had ingested 64 pounds of plastic.

The major problem, as I understand it, is the use of single-use plastics, e.g. drinks containers, plastic bags (although some attempt to use the excuse "I use them as rubbish bags"), and - of course drinking straws, ear buds and wipes.

Personally, I believe that the hidden subsidies to motorists should be removed and the actual price of petrol should be charged. I don't know how much that would be today, but one estimate in 1995 was UKP 16 per gallon (I can't find a link at this time, so this is from memory).

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"Personally, I believe that the hidden subsidies to motorists should be removed and the actual price of petrol should be charged. I don't know how much that would be today, but one estimate in 1995 was UKP 16 per gallon (I can't find a link at this time, so this is from memory)."

Memory problem I think. £16 per barrel maybe in 1995 (100 gallons) therefore 16p per gallon. It is more now because the freeze on the fuel escalator means that the assumed subsidy (taxes not collected) goes up each year that it is frozen. If they had abolished the fuel escalator these "subsidies" would not have arisen.

At £16 per gallon subsidy that would be £1600 subsidy on a barrel when market prices worldwide were less than $100 per barrel.

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Well that one little leaflet has certainly stirred the pot on here.
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scottie wrote:
The problem with this ignorant , uneducated c**p is , that they will always slip in something like " forced marriages " , which is something of course none of us would agree with but it does give them the ideal answer to any criticism you may make about the rubbish printed .
The more I see in social media , the more worried I become .
These people wait until the country is in some sort of trouble and come out in force. What amazes me is the number of people who appear to support them and the very small number who speak out against them .
By not speaking out we are condoning these morons


Agree 100%

Go back nearly 100 years to Post war Germany.

In those days the problem as Hitler and Germany saw it were the Jews.

They said they didn't integrate into Society, took jobs which Arian Germans could do. Also thought they were dirty etc. Couldn't marry outside the Jewish faith.

The German people were fed on hatred and lies and unfortunately many believed and the Minority were louder than the silent majority. The German people did not learn the truth until it was too late. People did not speak out or were too frightened to.

The rest is History.

Fast forward nearly 100 years, change the Jew to the Muslim or any faith which is not so called White Supremacy and change the Country to England.

We cannot allow such Bigotry to go unchallenged and to say nothing.


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What amazes me is the number of people who appear to support them and the very small number who speak out against them .
By not speaking out we are condoning these morons


Very few do support them Scottie. Whilst not exactly a wind-up post the reaction to it doesn't really reflect the realities. There isn't going to be a beer hall putsch, either.

AFAIK, these are the results from their 2 attempts at standing for parliament. The Monster Raving Looney Party did much better in its day. Waters is their "Leader".

Date of election.....Constituency.............Candidate ......................... Votes..........%

14 June 2018 .....Lewisham East .....Anne Marie Waters.......... ..........266 ..........1.2

4 April 2019 ........Newport West ..........Hugh Nicklin ..........................159 ..........0.7


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kanebill wrote:
"Personally, I believe that the hidden subsidies to motorists should be removed and the actual price of petrol should be charged. I don't know how much that would be today, but one estimate in 1995 was UKP 16 per gallon (I can't find a link at this time, so this is from memory)."

Memory problem I think. £16 per barrel maybe in 1995 (100 gallons) therefore 16p per gallon. It is more now because the freeze on the fuel escalator means that the assumed subsidy (taxes not collected) goes up each year that it is frozen. If they had abolished the fuel escalator these "subsidies" would not have arisen.

At £16 per gallon subsidy that would be £1600 subsidy on a barrel when market prices worldwide were less than $100 per barrel.



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“Road use generates costs which are borne by wider society instead of the motorist.”

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“These ‘externalities’ mean that in the absence of taxation or pricing, there is an inefficiently high level of road use. Taxes can help bring private demands into line with the socially desirable level. Several different externalities are associated with motoring. Some, like carbon emissions from burning petrol and diesel, are easily addressed through fuel duties as the costs depend entirely on fuel use. Others, notably congestion but also the costs of noise and accidents, vary enormously according to where and when someone drives.”


There's more to driving than the motorist buying petrol.

There's the cost to general society, e.g. policing, health care, accident investigations, road building/maintenance, government subsidies to oil companies, pollution, and (worst of all) London taxi drivers, etc.

And no, I haven't found a link to the 1995 report yet.

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Mr Tibbs wrote:
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What amazes me is the number of people who appear to support them and the very small number who speak out against them .
By not speaking out we are condoning these morons


Very few do support them Scottie. Whilst not exactly a wind-up post the reaction to it doesn't really reflect the realities. Their isn't going to be a beer hall putsch, either.

AFAIK, these are the results from their 2 attempts at standing for parliament. The Monster Raving Looney Party did much better in its day. Waters is their "Leader".

Date of election.....Constituency.............Candidate ......................... Votes..........%

14 June 2018 .....Lewisham East .....Anne Marie Waters.......... ..........266 ..........1.2

4 April 2019 ........Newport West ..........Hugh Nicklin ..........................159 ..........0.7


I would , until recently have agreed with you Tibbs.
However what I have seen recently on social media has made me wonder
What people say to pollsters and what they actually think ,appear to be vastly different .
The racism and bile on some of the sites is getting worse on an almost daily basis.
Its shocked me , I can only think that people are feeling so insecure that they are lashing out at anyone to blame.
The most unlikely people have come out with statements I would not believe them capable of , going by past experience of their posts.
I do speak out and search for evidence on Snopes and That's Nonsense to prove what they are saying is incorrect but feel strongly its going right over their heads and the seed has been sown .
I hope I am wrong
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