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Post: #1   PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:50 pm Reply with quote
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Reuters reports (& Tusk tweets) that Article 50 extended to October 31st for UK parliament to agree to withdrawal agreement with review in June.

If withdrawal agreement agreed during the six months, UK can leave on the first of the following month.

Several conditions, e.g. the UK will refrain from disrupting running of EU during this period.

May now meeting will Tusk to agree/disagree.

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Post: #2   PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:31 am Reply with quote
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Let campaigning begin in the UK for EU elections next month.

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Post: #3   PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:44 am Reply with quote
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spanner wrote:
Let campaigning begin in the UK for EU elections next month.


I gather elections will not be necessary because the new session doesn't start until 1 November but let a prolongation beyond 31 Oct be necessary and new GB elections will become mandatory. (My interpretation)

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Post: #4   PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:13 am Reply with quote
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Mine is that the U.K. will have to take part in the elections if a withdrawal deal isn’t reached by June 1st.

Despite the amount of backtracking, broken promises, crossed “red lines” and abject national humiliation May’s presided over - whilst stubbornly refusing to go throughout - it’s difficult to imagine her not doing so after that date. Not only because of her insisting it would be an irreconcilable failure but also after what’s generally expected to be a huge (well earned) drubbing for the Conservatives in the May 23rd local elections.

“Will nobody rid us of this troublesome woman?”

Set to go down in history alongside the likes of Chamberlain I suspect.


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Mr Tibbs wrote:

Set to go down in history alongside the likes of Chamberlain I suspect.


At least he rescinded his 'Peace in our time' and had the guts to declare war, based on a conflict as far away as Poland!

I recall listening to his declaration speech on our wireless set and, as a 7 y-o boy, was scared, waiting for the bombs to fall on us.

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devil wrote:
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Set to go down in history alongside the likes of Chamberlain I suspect.


At least he rescinded his 'Peace in our time' and had the guts to declare war, based on a conflict as far away as Poland!

I recall listening to his declaration speech on our wireless set and, as a 7 y-o boy, was scared, waiting for the bombs to fall on us.


Bloody Hell.! You are old. Wink Laughing

Mind you at least you got there. Wink

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Bloody Hell.! You are old. Wink Laughing



Only 87 in a month or two.

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devil wrote:
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Bloody Hell.! You are old. Wink Laughing



Only 87 in a month or two.


I’m a sprightly 69. Very Happy

Well, until Monday. Sad
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Mr Tibbs wrote:
Mine is that the U.K. will have to take part in the elections if a withdrawal deal isn’t reached by June 1st.

Despite the amount of backtracking, broken promises, crossed “red lines” and abject national humiliation May’s presided over - whilst stubbornly refusing to go throughout - it’s difficult to imagine her not doing so after that date. Not only because of her insisting it would be an irreconcilable failure but also after what’s generally expected to be a huge (well earned) drubbing for the Conservatives in the May 2nd local elections.

“Will nobody rid us of this troublesome woman?”

Set to go down in history alongside the likes of Chamberlain I suspect.


Why blame May?

Admittedly she was stupid enough to grab the sh**ty stick when Cameron dropped it, but no matter who was P.M. the process would have ended up the same way - the UK would have ended up with more-or-less the same agreement.

So May won't be around for the next stage - be it May 1st, June, July 1st, August 1st, September 1st or October 1st - when trade negotiations can start with all those queuing up for a trade (and we already know that the USA will put the UK at the end of the list).

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Post: #10   PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:34 pm Reply with quote
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Kwacka wrote:


Why blame May?


Maybe because she made a balls-up of it from the day she entered office. For something as nationally important as Brexit, she should have called ALL the Party leaders together to form a national government charged to explore all possibilities (and I said so, at the time). Having done that, this national government should have invoked Art 50 within a month or two of its foundation. Everybody would have been in such a whirl that none would have had the time to bring in party politics. But the BIG mistake was not to involve all the parties from the start. May was too vain, thinking that she could do everything herself and, having made that mistake, being too pig-headed to change her mind one little jot.

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And exactly what would a “coalition” achieved? It is patiently obvious that no “version” of Brexit will pass the buffoons currently running our country. And all Corbyn is doing is trying to further his own agenda of a failed socialist state. The people voted to leave the EU which is on a clear path of creating a Federalist Franco German led state, something will always go against the grain for your average “Brit”. Being outside of the EU, we will always be in Europe, with a sensible trading agreement, the Common Market, would seem to be an easy enough option! If the EU wasn’t so determined to ensure that no one leaves its precious totalitarian state unpunished! No one in their right mind expected the UK to just leave, does the average “Joe” understand Mays deal or are we all just being manipulated by factions in Parliament and a hysterical press? It would have gotten us off the starting blocks...it was never the final solution..No one but no one in Parliament could have done any better, but I am sure many could have done a lot worse! May was handed a poisoned chalice, at least she has had the guts, determination and fortitude to try and deliver the will of the people, a Brexit not some watered down pathetic version of.

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What about the "buffoons" of the ERG?

The members of the several leave groups who lied about leaving the EU? Not only the obvious ones that were quickly exposed (350 million a week to the NHS) but the ones that still hold credibility amongst the ignorant, e.g. a political community wasn't signed up to.

And why were there several leave groups? If everybody who voted to leave wanted the same thing, why were there several groups?

The buffoons who believe that there is a federalist 'EUSSR' state? The buffoons who believe that the EU commission can enact laws and "tell us what to do"?

The buffoons who believe that the bulk of laws involving the UK are made in Europe?

The average "Joe" in the street has been lied to for the past 40+ years, and it seems that many voted on the basis of those lies.

I do agree that a coalition couldn't do any better - the EU has held all the cards since the referendum.

BTW, this has all been about leaving the EU. talk about common markets, Norway, Canada, et al deals come after leaving the EU

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devil wrote:
Kwacka wrote:


Why blame May?


Maybe because she made a balls-up of it from the day she entered office. For something as nationally important as Brexit, she should have called ALL the Party leaders together to form a national government charged to explore all possibilities (and I said so, at the time). Having done that, this national government should have invoked Art 50 within a month or two of its foundation. Everybody would have been in such a whirl that none would have had the time to bring in party politics. But the BIG mistake was not to involve all the parties from the start. May was too vain, thinking that she could do everything herself and, having made that mistake, being too pig-headed to change her mind one little jot.


Agree with all of the above.delay of votes in the house,delaying inter party talks can all be added to thus too.
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Kwacka wrote:
What about the "buffoons" of the ERG?

The members of the several leave groups who lied about leaving the EU? Not only the obvious ones that were quickly exposed (350 million a week to the NHS) but the ones that still hold credibility amongst the ignorant, e.g. a political community wasn't signed up to.

And why were there several leave groups? If everybody who voted to leave wanted the same thing, why were there several groups?

The buffoons who believe that there is a federalist 'EUSSR' state? The buffoons who believe that the EU commission can enact laws and "tell us what to do"?

The buffoons who believe that the bulk of laws involving the UK are made in Europe?

The average "Joe" in the street has been lied to for the past 40+ years, and it seems that many voted on the basis of those lies.

I do agree that a coalition couldn't do any better - the EU has held all the cards since the referendum.

BTW, this has all been about leaving the EU. talk about common markets, Norway, Canada, et al deals come after leaving the EU


The currant bunch of MPs are all buffoons...and if you don’t believe that the EU is on the path to a Federalist State then I am afraid you should take more interest in it. It was however pleasing to read that Macron was put in his place after trying to be the “hard man”, if there was a reason to leave the EU, the attitude of this wannabe Napoleon, intent on punishing the UK ( the French Political elite have always detested the British) should be held up as a shining example.

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[quote="Hudswell"]
Kwacka wrote:
What about the "buffoons" of the ERG?

The members of the several leave groups who lied about leaving the EU? Not only the obvious ones that were quickly exposed (350 million a week to the NHS) but the ones that still hold credibility amongst the ignorant, e.g. a political community wasn't signed up to.

And why were there several leave groups? If everybody who voted to leave wanted the same thing, why were there several groups?

The buffoons who believe that there is a federalist 'EUSSR' state? The buffoons who believe that the EU commission can enact laws and "tell us what to do"?

The buffoons who believe that the bulk of laws involving the UK are made in Europe?

The average "Joe" in the street has been lied to for the past 40+ years, and it seems that many voted on the basis of those lies.

I do agree that a coalition couldn't do any better - the EU has held all the cards since the referendum.

BTW, this has all been about leaving the EU. talk about common markets, Norway, Canada, et al deals come after leaving the EU


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The currant bunch of MPs are all buffoons...and if you don’t believe that the EU is on the path to a Federalist State then I am afraid you should take more interest in it. It was however pleasing to read that Macron was put in his place after trying to be the “hard man”, if there was a reason to leave the EU, the attitude of this wannabe Napoleon, intent on punishing the UK ( the French Political elite have always detested the British) should be held up as a shining example.[/quote]


One could say that the English Political elite have always hated Europe, well Germany anyway.

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Hudswell wrote:

The currant bunch of MPs are all buffoons...and if you don’t believe that the EU is on the path to a Federalist State then I am afraid you should take more interest in it. It was however pleasing to read that Macron was put in his place after trying to be the “hard man”, if there was a reason to leave the EU, the attitude of this wannabe Napoleon, intent on punishing the UK ( the French Political elite have always detested the British) should be held up as a shining example.


Where were you 'pleased to read' that Macron was put in his place?

No, I don't believe that the EU is on a federalist path, and that is simply because I have taken more interest in it.

Would, for example, 'the hard man of Europe' (despite the belief that France would bow down to any British request because they wouldn't sell as much wine to the UK) wouldn't fail to use their veto to diminish their position? Nor Merkel? Nor Orban?

I'll ask for your basis for believing that any of those three would support a federal state.

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Kwacka wrote:
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The currant bunch of MPs are all buffoons...and if you don’t believe that the EU is on the path to a Federalist State then I am afraid you should take more interest in it. It was however pleasing to read that Macron was put in his place after trying to be the “hard man”, if there was a reason to leave the EU, the attitude of this wannabe Napoleon, intent on punishing the UK ( the French Political elite have always detested the British) should be held up as a shining example.


Where were you 'pleased to read' that Macron was put in his place?

No, I don't believe that the EU is on a federalist path, and that is simply because I have taken more interest in it.

Would, for example, 'the hard man of Europe' (despite the belief that France would bow down to any British request because they wouldn't sell as much wine to the UK) wouldn't fail to use their veto to diminish their position? Nor Merkel? Nor Orban?

I'll ask for your basis for believing that any of those three would support a federal state.


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Little steps as they say.

What´s wrong with the idea of creating a common European army? Can there be any doubt that it would increase efficiency - and therefore lower costs - if you have only one administration, harmonised logistics etc?

But apart from that suggesting this isn´t the same as suggesting a European federal state.
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Little steps as they say.

What´s wrong with the idea of creating a common European army? Can there be any doubt that it would increase efficiency - and therefore lower costs - if you have only one administration, harmonised logistics etc?

But apart from that suggesting this isn´t the same as suggesting a European federal state.


ffs we can't agree on how to run the EU and you wnt to put the military in charge of possibly what could be the thirdf/ourth largest army in the world.

What's wrong with Nato and the UN or will we want then to create another UN as well?
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Little steps as they say.

What´s wrong with the idea of creating a common European army? Can there be any doubt that it would increase efficiency - and therefore lower costs - if you have only one administration, harmonised logistics etc?

But apart from that suggesting this isn´t the same as suggesting a European federal state.


No Jeba, but it is another step towards that aim. Federalism May be the “norm” in Germany but I am afraid it will never sit well with a number of other countries. We have NATO, and believe me that is difficult enough to command and control, who have kept the peace in Western Europe since WW2 and continue to ensure our safety. Having worked extensively with NATO and within a European Armed Forces organisation I can state, with experience, an EU Army would never function. And the suggestion of an EU Army is just another step towards “centralisation, the Euro, a Common Tax regime, Centralised governance, the removal of sovereignty...I am sorry but the EU is driving headlong towards Statehood, something that the UK wants no part of.

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