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Post: #1   PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:03 pm Reply with quote
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Nigel Farage 'will stand for' newly-formed Brexit Party if UK's EU departure is delayed


Nigel Farage says he would stand as a candidate for a new Brexit party if the UK's departure from the EU is delayed.



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Will we never hear the end of this ex-public school, multimillionaire 'man of the people'?

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Post: #2   PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:36 am Reply with quote
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Whatever happens on March 29th (or later) is never going to put this to bed.

If the UK ends up leaving I suspect there will be a Rejoin party and/or movement, especially if there's no deal.

If we end up staying I'm convinced that the Leave campaign will rise phoenix-like from the ashes. Under Farage or whoever's tutelage. And before long - deja vu - the major parties will be fighting yet again to stem an inexorable loss of votes.

If we leave on the TM deal, both sides will be at each other's throats, fighting to control the basis on which we exit the transition period.

The UK (and similarly within the microcosm of this Forum) will probably spend the next decade or more continuing to fight this war over the EU.

A wonderful prospect.


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Post: #3   PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:55 am Reply with quote
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Mr Tibbs wrote:
Whatever happens on March 29th (or later) is never going to put this to bed.

If the UK ends up leaving I suspect there will be a Rejoin party and/or movement, especially if there's no deal.

If we end up staying I'm convinced that the Leave campaign will rise phoenix-like from the ashes. Under Farage or whoever's tutelage. And before long - deja vu - the major parties will be fighting yet again to stem an inexorable loss of votes.

If we leave on the TM deal, both sides will be at each other's throats, fighting to control the basis on which we exit the transition period.

The UK (and similarly within the microcosm of this Forum) will probably spend the next decade or more continuing to fight this war over the EU.

A wonderful prospect.


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Post: #4   PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:46 pm Reply with quote
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Unless the result of leaving is either so catastrophic or so wonderful that one side will have to renounce their expectations of the effect of leaving.

BTW, one night (possibly last night) I was listening to the leader of the new party and previously UKip's financial 'expert' financial Catherine Blaiklock (the one who said that food banks cause obesity in an article she entitled 'Hungry? Let them eat spuds!' earlier this year) and laid out 'The Brexit Party's' economic manifesto - apparently by not sticking to agreements and refusing to pay the EU what the country has agreed it owes will immediately make every family in Britain GBP 1,450 better off!

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Post: #5   PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:15 pm Reply with quote
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The simple fact of this matter is that Cameron opened a can of worms for party political purposes and left the country to cope with the results.
Which result it ended up with is to all intents and purposes, irrelevant.
The population is split nigh on 50-50 so the arguments were bound to carry on.
Every leaver I speak to has their own reason for voting out.
Reasons vary from "we have to get back to what made us great"
Through "Europe should be grateful for what we did in the war"
To "We need to take back control of our borders"
All of this is fine if you think it can be achieved without irreperable damage to the economy while it happens.
Personally, I think the old empire may be a bit peeved if we try to take it back.
I don't think we were particularly benevolent rulers.
Europeans are grateful, I have never seen one Normandy veteran treated with anything other than reverence when visiting.
However, it isnt a valid argument to suggest "they" owe "us" anything.
I didn't liberate Europe & I don't expect any credit for doing it.
If you want to argue that point, we have spent far more years fighting the people we liberated than the oppressors who we beat.
Most historians agree that "we" couldn't have liberated Europe anyway without the yanks and the red army, which in no way lessens our contribution in the early years but it's a fact nonetheless.
When relationships break down the parties almost always end up arguing over money and possessions. The lovey dovey days are forgotten. Why does anyone expect the EU to give us anything? We left, they want to get whatever they can from the mess.
I'll leave the borders issue alone, it usually ends up with "I'm not a racist but..."
I voted to stay in, but I wasn't certain. I was probably 50-50 myself but my belief is that we are better off in than out because whatever people think, you cannot turn the clock back to "the good old days"
Like it or not this country is a small island off the coast of Europe and soon to be out of Europe looking in.
Almost everything we used to sell to the world is now made there and sold back to us.
Don't complain when they take back control of their borders too.

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Post: #6   PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:43 pm Reply with quote
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Post: #7   PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:46 pm Reply with quote
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FrednKaren - That was such an unbelievably sensible post.........it's wasted on here! Cool

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Post: #8   PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:48 pm Reply with quote
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Mr Tibbs wrote:
See what I mean? Sad


See what I mean? Rolling Eyes

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Post: #9   PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:20 pm Reply with quote
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Thanks WW, no one ever changes their views one way or the other anyway.
Once we're out, everyone will be just start arguing that things are or aren't better!

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Post: #10   PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:29 pm Reply with quote
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FrednKaren wrote:
Thanks WW, no one ever changes their views one way or the other anyway.
Once we're out, everyone will be just start arguing that things are or aren't better!


Thatís the point Iím trying to make. In/out/half way, whatever the outcome, thereíll be no end to this.
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Post: #11   PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:35 pm Reply with quote
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Thanks WW, no one ever changes their views one way or the other anyway.
Once we're out, everyone will be just start arguing that things are or aren't better!

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Post: #12   PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:44 pm Reply with quote
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so, as I see it we will never agree on whether we should stay or leave......,. but as the vote went the way of leave, perhaps we should leave and which ever way you voted we need to accept it, then in around 40 years we can push for a referendum to join the EU but i don't imagine the EU will be around then

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JustThe2OfUs wrote:
then in around 40 years we can push for a referendum to join the EU but i don't imagine the EU will be around then


The way things are going there may not be much of a United Kingdom
around then either Wink

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It was here a long time before...and it will be there after...😉

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Post: #15   PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:50 pm Reply with quote
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Hudswell wrote:
It was here a long time before...and it will be there after...😉


But what sort of condition will it be in? will it still be" great" although I have never seen anything about it that is worthy of the word.

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