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Post: #21   PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:47 am Reply with quote
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KIZI wrote:
I never said that Korea was a doggy shangria la/utopia in my posting. I just said what I had seen for myself, pet dogs loved and cared for and tolerated by the public, no strays, no dog mess on the streets.


KIZI

That is fantastic to hear, but if your going to post about the good part, its no surprise that others will point out the dark side of Korea where dogs are concerned.

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Post: #22   PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:24 am Reply with quote
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Blossom wrote:
KIZI wrote:
I never said that Korea was a doggy shangria la/utopia in my posting. I just said what I had seen for myself, pet dogs loved and cared for and tolerated by the public, no strays, no dog mess on the streets.


KIZI

That is fantastic to hear, but if your going to post about the good part, its no surprise that others will point out the dark side of Korea where dogs are concerned.


Well we have just returned from our cruise around China, Japan and SK. All I can report back is what I saw and what I was told by our guides. I can back up what KIZI stated about the pet dogs being very well looked after, I asked numerous guides about dog meat and whilst it is still available, it is in mainly rural areas, although you will find unscrupulous restaurant owners serving it, just like here with the songbirds situation. It is not freely available now and we never encountered it in any of the restaurants we visited. Thought all 3 countries and their people were superb.

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Post: #23   PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:34 am Reply with quote
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Blossom wrote:
sugarray1955 wrote:
KIZI wrote:
I'm sure you'll have a great trip sugarray1955 and I - and probably other Forum members - would be interested in your feedback. You will see markets selling wonderful fish, vegetables and fruit that you will not know:meat is very rare either on sale or in restaurants. 98% of the cuisine is vegetarian - rice, noodles, vegetables, tofu. and nowhere will you see or eat dog meat.

My intention when my did my posting, just to give my personal impression of one aspect of a very different culture to ours and how pets are loved, respected and cared for by most of the population, even to sitting with their owners in the temple gardens. Such a change from what we see here and probably what most people would be surprised at. You will not see stray, half-starved dogs on the streets in Korea, riddled with disease and signs of ill-treatment - we Europeans can provide such sights in our own countries.

I'm not going any further down the road of "dogs for consumption" etc.
Suffice to say that my understanding is that yes, many many years ago dog meat was eaten, mainly by the young men of rural areas as a ritual. Like a lot of practices this has died out among the younger people, the Government has also now banned the breeding of dogs for meat.
And from what I saw of the very high quality, advanced lifestyle of the general population I would imagine that the thought of eating dog meat was as abhorent to them as it is to us.

Now, as barristers say at the end of their closing statements: "I rest my case".

KIZI


Thanks Kizi, I am sure we will and I will report back on exactly as I see it, especially if it is so easy to consume dog meat as previously stated. I only mentioned I was vegan to see if I received the usual ignorant inane comments, but I give credit where credit is due and I didn`t. After having my eyes opened, at a very late age I might add, it makes me smile when people start going on about eating dog meat but are more than happy to eat a lamb or a piglet, they unfortunately cannot see the irony of it all. We fly to London tomorrow, to catch our flight out to Shanghai to join our ship, so this will be my last time on the forum for a few weeks, thanks for the insightful post it was much appreciated.


Your sidestepping the issue, we were replying to Kizis post, that Korea was some sort of Doggy Shangri La, Utopia, which is far from reality ..as for Slaughter house's maybe a new thread on that subject?


No I am not sidestepping the issue at all, there is no difference whether the animal is a dog, pig, cow etc. If you eat meat of any sort it does not give you the right to criticise other cultures and what they eat, people rightly point out the conditions of dogs in SK, but then quite happily contribute to the suffering of other species so they then can eat their flesh, do you not see the irony???

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Post: #24   PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:55 pm Reply with quote
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So pleased to hear that you enjoyed your trip and one I'm sure you won't forget.

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Post: #25   PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:52 pm Reply with quote
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sugarray1955 wrote:
Blossom wrote:
sugarray1955 wrote:
KIZI wrote:
I'm sure you'll have a great trip sugarray1955 and I - and probably other Forum members - would be interested in your feedback. You will see markets selling wonderful fish, vegetables and fruit that you will not know:meat is very rare either on sale or in restaurants. 98% of the cuisine is vegetarian - rice, noodles, vegetables, tofu. and nowhere will you see or eat dog meat.

My intention when my did my posting, just to give my personal impression of one aspect of a very different culture to ours and how pets are loved, respected and cared for by most of the population, even to sitting with their owners in the temple gardens. Such a change from what we see here and probably what most people would be surprised at. You will not see stray, half-starved dogs on the streets in Korea, riddled with disease and signs of ill-treatment - we Europeans can provide such sights in our own countries.

I'm not going any further down the road of "dogs for consumption" etc.
Suffice to say that my understanding is that yes, many many years ago dog meat was eaten, mainly by the young men of rural areas as a ritual. Like a lot of practices this has died out among the younger people, the Government has also now banned the breeding of dogs for meat.
And from what I saw of the very high quality, advanced lifestyle of the general population I would imagine that the thought of eating dog meat was as abhorent to them as it is to us.

Now, as barristers say at the end of their closing statements: "I rest my case".

KIZI


Thanks Kizi, I am sure we will and I will report back on exactly as I see it, especially if it is so easy to consume dog meat as previously stated. I only mentioned I was vegan to see if I received the usual ignorant inane comments, but I give credit where credit is due and I didn`t. After having my eyes opened, at a very late age I might add, it makes me smile when people start going on about eating dog meat but are more than happy to eat a lamb or a piglet, they unfortunately cannot see the irony of it all. We fly to London tomorrow, to catch our flight out to Shanghai to join our ship, so this will be my last time on the forum for a few weeks, thanks for the insightful post it was much appreciated.


Your sidestepping the issue, we were replying to Kizis post, that Korea was some sort of Doggy Shangri La, Utopia, which is far from reality ..as for Slaughter house's maybe a new thread on that subject?


No I am not sidestepping the issue at all, there is no difference whether the animal is a dog, pig, cow etc. If you eat meat of any sort it does not give you the right to criticise other cultures and what they eat, people rightly point out the conditions of dogs in SK, but then quite happily contribute to the suffering of other species so they then can eat their flesh, do you not see the irony???


Firstly, welcome back ray, and glad you enjoyed your Cruise! Very Happy

I certainly see where you're coming from with regards to meat eaters seeking to dictate which animals are ok to eat and which are not! Cool

However, I can also understand the revulsion that people feel at the thought of 'man's best friend' being kept in tortuous conditions before, possibly, being cruelly killed and then served up at the dinner table! Crying or Very sad

So, as both a carnivore and an animal lover, I will readily hold my hand up and admit to being a total hypocrite on this issue! Embarassed

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Post: #26   PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:30 am Reply with quote
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Woodrow Why?at wrote:
sugarray1955 wrote:
Blossom wrote:
sugarray1955 wrote:
KIZI wrote:
I'm sure you'll have a great trip sugarray1955 and I - and probably other Forum members - would be interested in your feedback. You will see markets selling wonderful fish, vegetables and fruit that you will not know:meat is very rare either on sale or in restaurants. 98% of the cuisine is vegetarian - rice, noodles, vegetables, tofu. and nowhere will you see or eat dog meat.

My intention when my did my posting, just to give my personal impression of one aspect of a very different culture to ours and how pets are loved, respected and cared for by most of the population, even to sitting with their owners in the temple gardens. Such a change from what we see here and probably what most people would be surprised at. You will not see stray, half-starved dogs on the streets in Korea, riddled with disease and signs of ill-treatment - we Europeans can provide such sights in our own countries.

I'm not going any further down the road of "dogs for consumption" etc.
Suffice to say that my understanding is that yes, many many years ago dog meat was eaten, mainly by the young men of rural areas as a ritual. Like a lot of practices this has died out among the younger people, the Government has also now banned the breeding of dogs for meat.
And from what I saw of the very high quality, advanced lifestyle of the general population I would imagine that the thought of eating dog meat was as abhorent to them as it is to us.

Now, as barristers say at the end of their closing statements: "I rest my case".

KIZI


Thanks Kizi, I am sure we will and I will report back on exactly as I see it, especially if it is so easy to consume dog meat as previously stated. I only mentioned I was vegan to see if I received the usual ignorant inane comments, but I give credit where credit is due and I didn`t. After having my eyes opened, at a very late age I might add, it makes me smile when people start going on about eating dog meat but are more than happy to eat a lamb or a piglet, they unfortunately cannot see the irony of it all. We fly to London tomorrow, to catch our flight out to Shanghai to join our ship, so this will be my last time on the forum for a few weeks, thanks for the insightful post it was much appreciated.


Your sidestepping the issue, we were replying to Kizis post, that Korea was some sort of Doggy Shangri La, Utopia, which is far from reality ..as for Slaughter house's maybe a new thread on that subject?


No I am not sidestepping the issue at all, there is no difference whether the animal is a dog, pig, cow etc. If you eat meat of any sort it does not give you the right to criticise other cultures and what they eat, people rightly point out the conditions of dogs in SK, but then quite happily contribute to the suffering of other species so they then can eat their flesh, do you not see the irony???


Firstly, welcome back ray, and glad you enjoyed your Cruise! Very Happy

I certainly see where you're coming from with regards to meat eaters seeking to dictate which animals are ok to eat and which are not! Cool

However, I can also understand the revulsion that people feel at the thought of 'man's best friend' being kept in tortuous conditions before, possibly, being cruelly killed and then served up at the dinner table! Crying or Very sad

So, as both a carnivore and an animal lover, I will readily hold my hand up and admit to being a total hypocrite on this issue! Embarassed


Thanks WW
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