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What May's white paper actually amounts to. 
Post: #1   PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:36 pm Reply with quote
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The European Court will reign supreme. It will be the final arbiter in disputes over swathes of UK law and social practice.

The Government has tried to disguise this by obfuscation. The “common rulebook” for goods and agri-foods is linguistic legerdemain. It is patently the “EU rulebook”.

The full 98-page draft White Paper fleshes out how Brussels will secure British compliance on EU laws covering the environment, employment and social policy, consumer protection, state aid, and competition – indefinitely.

The UK would commit by Treaty to “pay due regard” to ECJ case law. If a conflict arises from the new EU-UK joint committee or arbitration panel, the dispute goes to the European Court.

Martin Howe, QC, from Lawyers For Britain, likens this to the Moldova Association Agreement. That distressed country in the upper Balkans – involuntary host to the Russian 14th Army – accepts binding ECJ rulings because it is desperate to join the EU.

“Quite why this is thought suitable for a country which has left the EU and is the fifth largest economy in the world is unclear. The supremacy of the UK courts over laws in the UK would not be restored,” he tweeted.

The Government will offer the EU “non-regression” clauses on the environment, employment, and social policy. This is what the EU’s Michel Barnier has been demanding all along. It is the legal mechanism to stop the UK gaining competitiveness – as he sees it – by means of social and economic dumping.

Michael Gove, the Environment Secretary, told Parliament in April why this abstruse wording is so crucial. “The non-regression clause, in essence, is a means of the EU giving itself potential control over domestic legislation. It goes against the spirit of taking back control,” he said. Whoops.

The White Paper pledges total compliance on EU competition law. Britain would “commit to a common rulebook on state aid”, and would maintain “current antitrust prohibitions and the merger control system”.

This has major political implications. It shoots Jeremy Corbyn’s fox. The Labour leader would not be able to carry out his core economic policies. This greatly reduces the likelihood that he will join forces with Theresa May to push the proposals through Parliament against resistance from Tory Brexiteers.

Professor Costas Lapavitsas from London University (SOAS) says EU rules would “place severe constraints” on Mr Corbyn’s plans for state aid, nationalisation, public procurement, and so forth.

“These are not minor issues. They lie at the heart of any attempt to transform Britain’s economy in a socialist direction, especially when it comes to industrial policy,” he said. Mr Corbyn would have far more freedom under World Trade Organisation rules.

Thatcherite Tories might have less trouble accepting the EU’s state aid and competition regime, if you leave aside the large issue of sovereignty. The EU’s Competition Directorate has long been an Anglo-Saxon sphere and an agent of market reform in Brussels.

However, it may cease to be so over time without Britain in the system. It may become more Gallic or Rhenish. This area is a textbook example of why the UK is better either essentially in the EU, or essentially out.

The White Paper insists that the writ of the European Court will extend only to issues concerning the common rule for goods and agri-food, and only where needed to achieve frictionless trade. It is window-dressing.

“This cannot be limited to export industries. It must cover the whole economy. How could you police two different sets of standards?” said Dr Simon Usherwood from Surrey University and UK in a Changing Europe. The idea of one labour law for goods and another for services is jejune.

The UK would sign up to most of the EU’s ‘Pillar 1’ directives and regulations, the bulk of the 170,000 Acquis. While this can in theory be rescinded under the Withdrawal Act, the White Paper freezes in place this vast corpus of law, some of which is incompatible with new technology such as Blockchain.

The plan allows the UK to diverge on future laws – subject to “consequences” – but other countries have found themselves unable to exercise such a prerogative. When the Swiss voted to restrict migrants and infringe free movement, the EU cut rough on everything from science research to electricity policy. Brussels put the country on a tax evasion "grey list" as a pressure tool, and threatened to cut off market access. Switzerland capitulated.

“If the EU suspected that the UK was messing around on part of the agreement, they might give us the Swiss treatment,” said Dr Usherwood. The Sword of Damocles would hang forever.

Much of the White Paper is eminently sensible. But it is not Brexit. By accepting the EU’s regulatory orbit, it greatly reduces the chance of meaningful trade deals with the US, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, or the rest of the world. There is no escape from the EU’s clammy embrace.

It abandons the quest for "mutual recognition" as the central philosophy of the post-Brexit relationship with the EU. By separating services from goods, it precludes the UK offering countries such as China full access to its lucrative goods market as a door-opener for our service exports.

It tilts the whole Brexit settlement towards the interests of the car industry, aerospace, chemicals, and the traded goods sector. No wonder they seem pleased. But UK goods exports to the EU are around 8pc of GDP, and part of that is the recycling of high foreign content in UK car exports.

It allows the EU to preserve its surplus in manufacturing trade (now £95bn) without demanding reciprocation on services, where Britain has the advantage. It gives the EU continued control over Britain's policies, while removing Britain’s veto in the Council of Ministers, its Euro-MPs in Strasbourg, and its judges in Luxembourg.



It's thought that Barnier will find this unacceptable - and seek further concessions.

The carping remainers must be laughing in their socks.

There will be blood.

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Post: #2   PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:52 pm Reply with quote
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Let me guess - the D. Telegraph?

It's not up to Barnier to accept or reject, it's up up to the leaders of the EU states to accept or reject, with some requiring a referendum.

For example:
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EUROPE DECIDES: EU ministers to meet FRIDAY to 'assess and judge' Brexit transition deal

EUROPEAN Union's chief negotiator Michel Barnier says an urgent meeting with the Council of Ministers will be held this week with an aim to "complete the draft withdrawal agreement".



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Here's the EU's stance prior to talks (IIRC, this was accepted unanimously by both Council of Ministers and European Parliament), notice any discrepancies between the two?

BTW, just watching the BBC News at 10 - Lloyds of London representative says they're moving to Brussels.

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Quite possibly........when all the be-leavers realise the enormity of their error and slit their wrists!! Cool

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Lloyds of London virtually skirted poor old Henry Cooper
Also I used to get many insurance brokers in my firm looking for business
And I never heard one of them recommend lloyds of London
So for my money go and good riddance by the way
Henry cooper should be skinted not skirted bloody useless machine
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Pete The Highwayman wrote:
Lloyds of London virtually skirted poor old Henry Cooper
Also I used to get many insurance brokers in my firm looking for business
And I never heard one of them recommend lloyds of London
So for my money go and good riddance by the way
Henry cooper should be skinted not skirted bloody useless machine
Pete


LOL

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Lloyd's of London, generally known simply as Lloyd's, is an insurance market located in London, United Kingdom. Unlike most of its competitors in the industry, it is not an insurance company.


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Lloyds are the underwriters for insurance companies. The companies that tried to sell insurance to you then paid Lloyds to insure themselves (like a bookie laying off bets). Those that invested money with Lloyds ('names') had a share of the profits every year until things started to fall apart in the 1990s.

The only person that 'skinted' the names were the names themselves. Throughout the history of Lloyds and so it was considered a sure bet. Unfortunately the court cases for asbestosis, etc. led to the names losing money.

It's like you claiming it's the bookies fault when you lose the money you've bet on Arsenal winning the league, when the only person to blame is you.

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I ain’t gonna blame nobody if I lose money on the arsenal
If I lose£20 wich is what I have bet if I lose it won’t make me a poor man
Nor will £600 make me a rich betting is all about value and arsenal
At 30/1 is very good value wether they win it or not
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Pete The Highwayman wrote:
I ain’t gonna blame nobody if I lose money on the arsenal
If I lose£20 wich is what I have bet if I lose it won’t make me a poor man
Nor will £600 make me a rich betting is all about value and arsenal
At 30/1 is very good value wether they win it or not


I think you miss the point, Pete, which is so unlike you! Laughing

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