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Post: #2   PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:51 am Reply with quote
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For once I agree with them.

Regardless of whether it is Sovereign Base area.

They should at least of have the common decency to tell the Cypriot Government ahead of any actions.

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It was a communist group that affiliate themselves with the Russian State and Putin....what do you expect? The UK has every right under the treaty to use the SBA's for their own purposes without recourse to the Cypriot Government...like in 74 when thousands of GC and TC were sheltered in the SBAs from the Turkish Armed Forces....didn't see any protests then did we? Mrs May contacted the Cypriot President and gave a full and detailed explanation of the Action, out of curtesy.

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Mrs May contacted the Cypriot President and gave a full and detailed explanation of the Action, out of curtesy.


After the event.

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Yes, after the event....and rightly so.

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Hudswell wrote:
It was a communist group that affiliate themselves with the Russian State and Putin....what do you expect? The UK has every right under the treaty to use the SBA's for their own purposes without recourse to the Cypriot Government...like in 74 when thousands of GC and TC were sheltered in the SBAs from the Turkish Armed Forces....didn't see any protests then did we? Mrs May contacted the Cypriot President and gave a full and detailed explanation of the Action, out of curtesy.


Well then, you need to read that same treaty you preach, because it does specifically state that the bases will NOT be used for war purposes and for staging bombings or other from there!

Seems someone is talking out of an orifice usually reserved for another purpose!!

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Yep, you are correct someone is talking out of their Bottom. Akrotiri has been used and will continue to be used to support British Military Operations in the Middle East...as the UK Government sees fit and is legally entitled to.

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Hudswell wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/15/cyprus-government-criticism-raf-base-syria-strikes-anti-war-protest-russia

Yep, you are correct someone is talking out of their Bottom. Akrotiri has been used and will continue to be used to support British Military Operations in the Middle East...as the UK Government sees fit and is legally entitled to.


That's all well and good if it is actually the government who vote on action.
Isn't it a shame that they weren't given the vote until today - that is, if they actually waste their time on a meaningless vote.
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Hudswell wrote:
It was a communist group that affiliate themselves with the Russian State and Putin....what do you expect? The UK has every right under the treaty to use the SBA's for their own purposes without recourse to the Cypriot Government...like in 74 when thousands of GC and TC were sheltered in the SBAs from the Turkish Armed Forces....didn't see any protests then did we? Mrs May contacted the Cypriot President and gave a full and detailed explanation of the Action, out of curtesy.


Well then, you need to read that same treaty you preach, because it does specifically state that the bases will NOT be used for war purposes and for staging bombings or other from there!

Seems someone is talking out of an orifice usually reserved for another purpose!!


I struggle to understand those who immediately label local individuals as any group at all. Peaceful negotiations seem to be passe these days. Let us invade foreign countries and perpetuate violence in order to protect humans - what was that you say? Oh, innocent civilian deaths are just collateral damage..........................

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Hudswell wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/15/cyprus-government-criticism-raf-base-syria-strikes-anti-war-protest-russia

Yep, you are correct someone is talking out of their Bottom. Akrotiri has been used and will continue to be used to support British Military Operations in the Middle East...as the UK Government sees fit and is legally entitled to.


Your link it totally irrelevant. The local population are protesting the use of the bases for staging war, if you live in Cyprus you should at least be pleased they are attempting to reduce any possible threats to this country. Seems you have nothing good to say about Cyprus yet you are here.

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VERY WELL SAID Hudswell we should and DO use our BRITISH BASES in CYPRUS for any purposes our country see FIT, Cyprus is merely an AIRCRAFT
CARRIER in the EASTERN MED>// STOP>

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Gerry McMahon wrote:
VERY WELL SAID Hudswell we should and DO use our BRITISH BASES in CYPRUS for any purposes our country see FIT, Cyprus is merely an AIRCRAFT
CARRIER in the EASTERN MED>// STOP>


Now that's what you call sarcasm. Wink Laughing

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Post: #13   PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:47 pm Reply with quote
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Hudswell wrote:
Yes, after the event....and rightly so.


That answer reminds me of Pearl Harbour.

Tell the aggrieved party after the event.

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Post: #14   PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:36 pm Reply with quote
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Well then, you need to read that same treaty you preach, because it does specifically state that the bases will NOT be used for war purposes and for staging bombings or other from there!

Seems someone is talking out of an orifice usually reserved for another purpose!!


Pan. That sounds a bit odd to me.

When I came here in the 70s Akrotiri had resident squadrons of V bombers, Lightning fighters and helicopters. There was always a considerable fleet of transport aircraft transiting the route from the UK, all the way out to the Far East. To the west of Episkopi there was a field of long-range Bloodhound surface to air missiles.

The idea that none of this could be utilised, for the obvious reason it existed, without the specific permission of the President of the Republic doesn't make sense. It was/is a huge military base clearly designed for military operations. And the ROC has a blanket veto? I worked in the Epi HQ for nearly 4 years, back in the 90s and whilst cooperation was invariably excellent with the ROC that one never popped up. Confused

The T of E is a very long read, so I could easily have missed the bit you're talking about though.

I'm surprised and curious at your claim. Can you point it out? You can find it at the bottom left, under "Background Reading" "Treaty of Establishment".

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AFAIUI Akrotiri has conducted military ops in Iraq, Libya and Syria. All without any obvious formal permission from the Government of the Republic.

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Mr Tibbs wrote:
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Well then, you need to read that same treaty you preach, because it does specifically state that the bases will NOT be used for war purposes and for staging bombings or other from there!

Seems someone is talking out of an orifice usually reserved for another purpose!!


Pan. That sounds a bit odd to me.

When I came here in the 70s Akrotiri had resident squadrons of V bombers, Lightning fighters and helicopters. There was always a considerable fleet of transport aircraft transiting the route from the UK, all the way out to the Far East. To the west of Episkopi there was a field of long-range Bloodhound surface to air missiles.

The idea that none of this could be utilised, for the obvious reason it existed, without the specific permission of the President of the Republic doesn't make sense. It was/is a huge military base clearly designed for military operations. And the ROC has a blanket veto? I worked in the Epi HQ for nearly 4 years, back in the 90s and whilst cooperation was invariably excellent with the ROC that one never popped up. Confused

The T of E is a very long read, so I could easily have missed the bit you're talking about though.

I'm surprised and curious at your claim. Can you point it out? You can find it at the bottom left, under "Background Reading" "Treaty of Establishment".

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AFAIUI Akrotiri has conducted military ops in Iraq, Libya and Syria. All without any obvious formal permission from the Government of the Republic.



I think Tibbs is not that the British Government need permission, but out of common decency advise the Cypriot Government of a Military action before it happens and not after. Even a 30 minute warning would have been good.

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Post: #16   PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:02 pm Reply with quote
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I'll add our family's voices to those that don't think Cyprus should be used as a depart point for UK bombing raids.
Let them send their warships and warheads into international waters as the USA and France have done in the attack on Syrian chemical facilities. As they should have done in Iraq etc as well.
UN-Sanctioned military action is not being questioned. Nor is the fact that Syria and all other nations should be stripped of their chemical weapons.
As for British military action in this current context, then fly from the UK or where that's not feasible because of distances, send the navy. Just don't involve Cyprus.
Treaty 5476 is a dinosaur which should be totally extinct in this day and age. Britain isn't a colonial power now and should be ashamed of its repeated attempts to intimidate Cyprus with misinterpretations of what it claims as its rights on this island.
As a matter of interest, does the UK still claim it can use the old Nicosia and current Tymbou airports without any restrictions for military sorties in time of peace or war? (I don't think the treaty ever defined whose war). Or, come to that, of the unfettered access the treaty is supposed to have given to the UK in areas and facilities now in the occupied north but obviously described in the treaty as in the Republic of Cyprus?
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I think Tibbs is not that the British Government need permission, but out of common decency advise the Cypriot Government of a Military action before it happens and not after. Even a 30 minute warning would have been good.


But thatís not what Panís saying. He says that the Treaty specifically forbids the use of the bases for war purposes. That conflicts with my own experiences and is something Iíve not been able to find a reference to in the Treaty. Yet.

Moreover, common sense seems to suggest it would be absurd. Analogous perhaps to saying that a hospital shouldnít be used for healing the sink and wounded without somebody or otherís clearance. Confused

Is there anybody who didnít know the raid was coming? We knew the aircraft had flown out from the UK. I even read an article on the weapons to be used. We practically had a countdown. Wink

I am un-nesting (?) this! Laughing

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romatarot wrote:
Hudswell wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/15/cyprus-government-criticism-raf-base-syria-strikes-anti-war-protest-russia

Yep, you are correct someone is talking out of their Bottom. Akrotiri has been used and will continue to be used to support British Military Operations in the Middle East...as the UK Government sees fit and is legally entitled to.


That's all well and good if it is actually the government who vote on action.
Isn't it a shame that they weren't given the vote until today - that is, if they actually waste their time on a meaningless vote.


Why on earth do you think we have an Prime Minister and a Cabinet? Yes in certain circumstances then Parliament should be consulted and yes a vote taken....this was not one of them.

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Hudswell wrote:
romatarot wrote:
Hudswell wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/15/cyprus-government-criticism-raf-base-syria-strikes-anti-war-protest-russia

Yep, you are correct someone is talking out of their Bottom. Akrotiri has been used and will continue to be used to support British Military Operations in the Middle East...as the UK Government sees fit and is legally entitled to.


That's all well and good if it is actually the government who vote on action.
Isn't it a shame that they weren't given the vote until today - that is, if they actually waste their time on a meaningless vote.


Why on earth do you think we have an Prime Minister and a Cabinet? Yes in certain circumstances then Parliament should be consulted and yes a vote taken....this was not one of them.


The point you're missing ...........yet again ...........is IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN
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Well we will just have to disagree then won't we.

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