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Why Trump makes me very nervous 
Post: #1   PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:30 pm Reply with quote
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Not his impetuosity, or his rabid extreme right wing appeals to people who clearly have come, by a left leaning government, to feel isolated and ignored but.............. the possibilities for some sort of overreaction and miscalculation from an administration boxed in by this sort of stuff.

Sorry, that's not too clear I know but:

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Re: Why Trump makes me very nervous 
Post: #2   PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:06 am Reply with quote
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Mr Tibbs wrote:
Not his impetuosity, or his rabid extreme right wing appeals to people who clearly have come, by a left leaning government, to feel isolated and ignored


I'll take you up on that statement.
a) both Houses of Congress have been Republican (i.e., very right wing) for quite some time
b) Obama's government has never been left-leaning. On the whole, I'd class it as mid-right. The only excursion slightly towards the left is Obamacare, which I'd class as Liberal (c.f. Lloyd-George in the 1920s)
c) Difficult to class, but I think Bernie Sanders may have been the main mid-left candidate who was obviously steam-rolled by the horrid Clinton female (mid-right).
d) The success of Trump was not because of his right-wing qualities but simply the lesser of two evils, possibly because he had(has) no real-world policies.

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Post: #3   PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:19 am Reply with quote
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Give the man a chance. Can he really be worse then recent holders of that post.

Hardly right to drum the man out of office before he has eben been inaugurated.
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For those who may be interested the Trump intelligence allegations are available on-line at
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Post: #5   PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:50 am Reply with quote
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bubblechris wrote:
Give the man a chance. Can he really be worse then recent holders of that post.

Hardly right to drum the man out of office before he has eben been inaugurated.


We're not in a position to drum Trump or anyone else out of office. Just following the story.

Don't you think it reads like something straight out of Le Carre though? Gripping stuff! Shocked

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Post: #6   PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:48 am Reply with quote
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bubblechris wrote:
Give the man a chance. Can he really be worse then recent holders of that post.

Hardly right to drum the man out of office before he has eben been inaugurated.


We gave the village idiot a chance, and look what he did!

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Post: #7   PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:11 pm Reply with quote
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spanner wrote:
bubblechris wrote:
Give the man a chance. Can he really be worse then recent holders of that post.

Hardly right to drum the man out of office before he has eben been inaugurated.


We gave the village idiot a chance, and look what he did!


You mean the new village idiot Anastasiades......................
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Strange how Trump claim outrage about an unsupported document, yet used showers of unsupported claims about his opponent. Surely he's taking the p***?

My fear is that his actions in the (near) future will turn out like this one. He gets upset by a minor matter that, if left alone, would blow over after a few comments. Instead it has blown up into what it has become due to his intervention - the Streisand Effect claims another.

The press knew about this months ago, I understand, and hadn't bothered to print it, unfortunately

Strange how, being a 'germophobe' (is this different to OCD?) he doesn't know that urine is usually sterile.

Why does he refer to himself in the third person?

Another fear of mine is that, as he will be the oldest US President to take office, there's a chance that Pence, as V.P., will take over.

And I wonder what the politics of the new Judge of the Supreme Court will be?


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Post: #9   PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:32 pm Reply with quote
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The term 'Nervous' doesn't even come close.

Haven't we seen enough character indications already? Arrogant and impetuous needing later retractions.

Such a man who has his finger on the nuclear button has no opportunity make a retraction.

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Post: #10   PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:46 pm Reply with quote
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tingtang wrote:
The term 'Nervous' doesn't even come close.

Haven't we seen enough character indications already? Arrogant and impetuous needing later retractions.

Such a man who has his finger on the nuclear button has no opportunity make a retraction.

tt.


Perhaps someone smearing doggy-do (a treatment to stop nail-biting, as suggested by Dame Edna Everage) on every red button they can find may make the world a safer place?

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Re: Why Trump makes me very nervous 
Post: #11   PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:37 pm Reply with quote
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devil wrote:
Mr Tibbs wrote:
Not his impetuosity, or his rabid extreme right wing appeals to people who clearly have come, by a left leaning government, to feel isolated and ignored


I'll take you up on that statement.
a) both Houses of Congress have been Republican (i.e., very right wing) for quite some time
b) Obama's government has never been left-leaning. On the whole, I'd class it as mid-right. The only excursion slightly towards the left is Obamacare, which I'd class as Liberal (c.f. Lloyd-George in the 1920s)
c) Difficult to class, but I think Bernie Sanders may have been the main mid-left candidate who was obviously steam-rolled by the horrid Clinton female (mid-right).
d) The success of Trump was not because of his right-wing qualities but simply the lesser of two evils, possibly because he had(has) no real-world policies.


I think it's a mistake to regard the political spectrum as immutable. What's left/right in one society can of course be entirely different in another. IIRC on at least one occasion you yourself referred to Cameron's Tory party as "extreme right wing". i suspect most would regard that as being somewhat OTT.

What I believe we are witnessing across the entire West is the end of what has become accepted as the normal left/liberal orthodoxy. Brexit and Trump being the most overt manifestations.

It does seem to me though that the left are in abject denial of this. Instead of learning a hard lesson they appear to be retreating into a comfort zone where it all boils down to bad campaigning. Then of course lashing out at all the stupid people who voted the wrong way. We have had our share of that in here.

What have traditionally been the Left's foundation supporters have come to feel that they've been deserted by an increasingly liberal-elite, obsessed with the likes of diversity politics. This, despite the fact that it's entirely clear, for example, that a Muslim voter isn't likely to be in tune with causes like Gay/female rights. It never was going to work and it hasn't. The old industrial proletariat voters have also seen a huge loss of jobs, which in the UK's case have gone largely to uncontrolled immigration from Eastern Europe (unlike other countries which put controls in place originally). Cheap labour. Socialists in pursuit of Corporate ideals. Unbelievable. They are then told that "this is a very good thing". The chickens are coming home to roost.

Sanders was an out-and-out socialist in US terms. I suspect that Obamacare is either about to disappear (with the exception of a few PR aspects) or be allowed to wither on the vine.

I'm glad we (seem to) agree on Hilary. Even a little research into the sort of things the Clinton dynasty has gotten up to reveals her to be a very unsavoury character. It was Hobson's choice of course but if compelled I too would probably have opted for Trump.

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I recall a poll which showed that the majority of Republican voters polled were against 'Obamacare' but were in favour of the Affordable Care Act. Very Happy

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I see the trenches are still around,so take cover folks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I like Trump.
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bromerzz wrote:
I like Trump.


Can you sing? Apparently they're stuck for someone to do the inauguration this Friday. Wink Very Happy

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Mr Tibbs wrote:
bromerzz wrote:
I like Trump.


Can you sing? Apparently they're stuck for someone to do the inauguration this Friday. Wink Very Happy


All I will say. He is better than Woody. Laughing

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I find a certain irony in Trump complaining because Lewis stated his opinion that he didn't recognize the legitimacy of Trump's Presidency, when Trump was a leader of the 'birther' campaign for at least 5 years.

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Kwacka wrote:
I find a certain irony in Trump complaining because Lewis stated his opinion that he didn't recognize the legitimacy of Trump's Presidency, when Trump was a leader of the 'birther' campaign for at least 5 years.


A week being a long time in politics.

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bromerzz wrote:
I like Trump.



So do I. Interesting times ahead.
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