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Posted By: Woodrow Why?at

And so the farce gathers pace and continues! :twisted: After all the Parliamentary debates last week and the PM, together with her advisers, steadfastly insisting that nothing would stop the Brexit vote going ahead tomorrow - guess what........IT'S BEEN POSTPONED!! ](*,) ](*,) :roll: Could this Tory Government get any more 'Strong and Stable'😂 and is there anybody of sound mind out there who now still thinks that the decision to leave was such a jolly good idea?!! 8)



Posted By: Steve - SJD

Well it certainly looks like it is to be delayed - though no official statement as yet. Will be interesting to hear what's contained in May's statement at 3:30pm and the following ones - something's going on. Also today the ECJ ruling that the UK can cancel Brexit without the permission of the other 27 EU members and remain in under our current agreement has thrown a further spanner in the works. Going to be an interesting week methinks. Cheers Steve

Posted By: Steve - SJD

An hour is a long time in politics it appears: The Independent's political sketch writer Tom Peck tweets: 10.45 news leaks that May will pull the vote at 11.30 11.00 Westminster evacuated by fire alarm 11.07 Delayed PM's media briefing begins. Journos told "vote is going ahead as planned." 11.21 Briefing ends. 11.30 Vote cancelled. Plus news just in - it gets worse: To vote, or not to vote? On Twitter, at least five Conservative MPs say that they are not happy that the Brexit withdrawal agreement vote has been delayed, and they will vote against such a delay. Some government sources are insisting that there does not need to be a vote from ministers, in order for the PM to delay the vote in Parliament, but there is still a lot of confusion about this. Cheers Steve

Posted By: spanner

Couldn't organise a brew up in Pissouri!

Posted By: Woodrow Why?at

Currently watching May's address to the House of Commons in which, thus far, she has been speaking and answering questions for over ninety minutes! And I think what she has been saying during that time can be summed up in just three words................Waffle, Waffle, Waffle!! 8)

Posted By: bubblechris

Read the following and think again.................... Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant. Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant. Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds. Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant. British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales. Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan. Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200. M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan. Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants. Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant. Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant. Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant. Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding. Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing. ICI integration into Hollandís AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase. JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry. UK airports are owned by a Spanish company. Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company. Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies. The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online. Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada. 39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently. Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations. I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there. I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany. Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea, 1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party. 2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down. 3/ You don't think it matters. Look forward to any claims of untruths :twisted:

Posted By: Woodrow Why?at

  • bubblechris wrote:
    Read the following and think again....................
    Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
    Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
    Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
    Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
    British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
    Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
    Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
    M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
    Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
    Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
    Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
    Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
    Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
    Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
    ICI integration into Hollandís AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
    Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
    JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
    UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
    Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
    Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
    The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
    Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
    39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
    The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.
    Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.
    I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
    I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.
    Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea,
    1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party.
    2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.
    3/ You don't think it matters.
    Look forward to any claims of untruths :twisted:

Are you claiming the above as your own words, chris? :shock:
And when I asked if there was anyone of a 'sound mind' who still thought that the decision to leave was a good one.......I, obviously, was not referring to you! :lol: :lol:
Besides, what on Earth has any of that got to do with today's events? :?

Posted By: Steve - SJD

  • bubblechris wrote:
    Read the following and think again....................
    Look forward to any claims of untruths :twisted:

Pretty much all of it :roll:
Just Google it - it has been doing the rounds since 2016.
Cheers
Steve





Posted By: Woodrow Why?at

  • Steve - SJD wrote:
    • bubblechris wrote:
      Read the following and think again....................
      Look forward to any claims of untruths :twisted:

    Pretty much all of it :roll:
    Just Google it - it has been doing the rounds since 2016.
    Cheers
    Steve

You mean that WASN'T a bc original? :shock:
Well, I'm stunned! :wink: :lol:

Posted By: 2diffs

The inconvenient facts that pension moaner has failed to notice, but then I guess a full time watch on the exchange rate takes up too much of his expendable energy.

Posted By: Woodrow Why?at

  • 2diffs wrote:
    The inconvenient facts that pension moaner has failed to notice, but then I guess a full time watch on the exchange rate takes up too much of his expendable energy.

Not too clear on who, or what, you're referring to but, again, what is the relevance to the events today at Westminster? :?

Posted By: bubblechris

Cheers Steve I took your advice googled around 10 and all seem to be true. Are there any that are out and out lies?

Posted By: nikcnet

The Maybot should take lessons in leadership - and audition for a Brexit remake of the Charge of the Light Brigade ! Many of her cabinet colleagues were doing the rounds of radio and TV studios over the weekend and earlier today affirming that the Commons would be DEFINITELY voting tomorrow ( Tuesday ) on her Brexit deal with the EU. Regardless of how one feels about Brexit, if you wanted an object lesson in how not to win friends and influence people - let alone lead them into the valley of death - Maybot surely deserves an Oscar for her star performance as one of the most incompetent PMs the country has ever experienced. Is this an example of what being ' strong and stable ' is all about ?

Posted By: lamby

The lady is ALL for turning.her own government spokesman telling the media that the vote was 100% going ahead, literally 2 hours before rumours were leaked of a cancellation.yet again this government is in contempt of parliament and the speaker should have gone to a vote on whether tomorrow's scheduled meaningful vote was able to be delayed.Yvette Cooper was spot on when she said how stupid this is making the UK look across the world.dead woman walking but to blind to see it.

Posted By: Woodrow Why?at

To paraphrase Mrs May, "We've got the best deal possible......but now we're going to try for something better!" :shock: :lol: :lol:



Posted By: Steve - SJD

  • bubblechris wrote:
    Cheers Steve I took your advice googled around 10 and all seem to be true. Are there any that are out and out lies?

Rather than me cutting & pasting the whole lot - click here to see how many of them are incorrect.
Cheers
Steve

Posted By: nikcnet

One thing emerging from today's Parliamentary pantomime is that you really can't trust the government and its leadership - so what's new you might say ! Although Britain lost its empire many moons ago, the country - its government and institutions - has held on to the perception that it had integrity in the way it did business with itself and others across the globe. This has been part of the source of the UK's 'soft power' and provided leverage for trade and educational influence and attraction, I suggest. If the actions of the PM today happened in a banana republic, no one would be surprised. Yet we have now crept into an Orwellian nightmare where fake news is the norm and political leaders lie through their teeth as an article of faith. On another Brexit issue, and in response to the ECJ statement that the UK can revoke Article 50, the Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt said it was irrelevant and in any case would betray the 52% of the population who voted for Brexit ! Correction - it was 52% of those who voted who supported leave .... some 17 million who apparently represent the will of the people in a country of roughly 65 million people. These leave charlatans have chosen to ignore the 48% - or 16 million plus - who voted to remain in the EU. It was a relatively close call but that has been ignored in most of the messianic Brexit debate that has emanated from the 'leave' side of the debate.

Posted By: mouse

  • Steve - SJD wrote:
    • bubblechris wrote:
      Cheers Steve I took your advice googled around 10 and all seem to be true. Are there any that are out and out lies?

    Rather than me cutting & pasting the whole lot - click here to see how many of them are incorrect.
    Cheers
    Steve

Chris doesn't do actual facts.
He used too, until he got confused.
Shame really he talked a lot of sense when he lived in Cyprus.

Posted By: Kwacka

  • bubblechris wrote:
    Read the following and think again....................
    Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
    Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
    Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
    Look forward to any claims of untruths :twisted:

Cadbury has factories all over the world. The UK factory in the Bourneville district of Brimingham is still there.
The Ford Transit has been manufactured in Turkey since 1976 and was manufactured in the UK until 2013.
Jaguar Landrover have a plant in Slovakia, and production of the Discovery (and nothing else) commences next year. JLR have said they will be investing "hundreds of millions" upgrading its plants in Heywood and Solihull.

Posted By: Bobbeer

  • Woodrow Why?at wrote:
    And so the farce gathers pace and continues! :twisted:
    After all the Parliamentary debates last week and the PM, together with her advisers, steadfastly insisting that nothing would stop the Brexit vote going ahead tomorrow - guess what........IT'S BEEN POSTPONED!! ](*,) ](*,) :roll:
    Could this Tory Government get any more 'Strong and Stable'😂 and is there anybody of sound mind out there who now still thinks that the decision to leave was such a jolly good idea?!! 8)

Nothing wrong with the democratic decision to leave!
The problem lies with a Remainer government running the show...

Posted By: Mr Tibbs

" Oh yes we do! " :lol:


Posted By: mouse

  • Bobbeer wrote:
    • Woodrow Why?at wrote:
      And so the farce gathers pace and continues! :twisted:
      After all the Parliamentary debates last week and the PM, together with her advisers, steadfastly insisting that nothing would stop the Brexit vote going ahead tomorrow - guess what........IT'S BEEN POSTPONED!! ](*,) ](*,) :roll:
      Could this Tory Government get any more 'Strong and Stable'😂 and is there anybody of sound mind out there who now still thinks that the decision to leave was such a jolly good idea?!! 8)

    Nothing wrong with the democratic decision to leave!
    The problem lies with a Remainer government running the show...

Of course. Nothing to do with the Brexiteers who didn't have a clue about the fall out of leaving the EU. Or even a divorce for that matter. :roll:
Keep your head buried. :wink:
And remember the Remainer Government is still the Government and we vote them in to make decisions for us.
FYI. The opposition are remainers as well. And the Scottish Parliement and the Welsh Assembly.
That leaves us with the Numpties in Parliament who didn't understand the fallout of leaving the EU, and of course a Divorce.



Posted By: Woodrow Why?at

  • nikcnet wrote:
    One thing emerging from today's Parliamentary pantomime is that you really can't trust the government and its leadership - so what's new you might say !
    Although Britain lost its empire many moons ago, the country - its government and institutions - has held on to the perception that it had integrity in the way it did business with itself and others across the globe. This has been part of the source of the UK's 'soft power' and provided leverage for trade and educational influence and attraction, I suggest.
    If the actions of the PM today happened in a banana republic, no one would be surprised. Yet we have now crept into an Orwellian nightmare where fake news is the norm and political leaders lie through their teeth as an article of faith.
    On another Brexit issue, and in response to the ECJ statement that the UK can revoke Article 50, the Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt said it was irrelevant and in any case would betray the 52% of the population who voted for Brexit ! Correction - it was 52% of those who voted who supported leave .... some 17 million who apparently represent the will of the people in a country of roughly 65 million people. These leave charlatans have chosen to ignore the 48% - or 16 million plus - who voted to remain in the EU. It was a relatively close call but that has been ignored in most of the messianic Brexit debate that has emanated from the 'leave' side of the debate.

:clap: Absolutely correct in everything you said, nik!
The repeatedly quoted line that the 'majority of the country' voted Leave is, of course, factually incorrect and should be challenged and exposed as the lie it is, each and every time somebody says it! 8)
As it is, May and her equally incompetent band of merry men have made the UK the laughing stock of the World! :evil:


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