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Posted By: Byker

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  • The Vatican has sent £100,000 to the storm-ravaged country while Pope Francis has led tens of thousands of people in St Peter's Square in prayer for the victims.
    The Philippines has Asia's largest Catholic population.

In a poor country which has been dominated by the Catholic church for centuries, where huge Catholic churches took a 100 years of slave labour to build (I've been in one at Paoay), which because of them is the only place on earth apart from the Vatican itself where divorce is not allowed...Them giving a paltry £100,000 towards the Typhoon Haiyan disaster is an absolute disgrace.:twisted:
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  • Bankers' best guesses about the Vatican's wealth put it at $10 billion to $15 billion. Of this wealth, Italian stockholdings alone run to $1.6 billion, 15% of the value of listed shares on the Italian market. The Vatican has big investments in banking, insurance, chemicals, steel, construction, real estate. Dividends help pay for Vatican expenses and charities such as assisting 1,500,000 children and providing some measure of food and clothing to 7,000,000 needy Italians. Unlike ordinary stockholders, the Vatican pays no taxes on this income
    Read more: Roman Catholics: The Vatican's Wealth - TIME http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,833509,00.html#ixzz2kOol2CpS

Yet another example of the greed and hypocrisy of religions. :twisted:



Posted By: ProVox

  • Byker wrote:
      Quote:
    • The Vatican has sent £100,000 to the storm-ravaged country while Pope Francis has led tens of thousands of people in St Peter's Square in prayer for the victims.
      The Philippines has Asia's largest Catholic population.

    In a poor country which has been dominated by the Catholic church for centuries, where huge Catholic churches took a 100 years of slave labour to build (I've been in one at Paoay), which because of them is the only place on earth apart from the Vatican itself where divorce is not allowed...Them giving a paltry £100,000 towards the Typhoon Haiyan disaster is an absolute disgrace.:twisted:
      Quote:
    • Bankers' best guesses about the Vatican's wealth put it at $10 billion to $15 billion. Of this wealth, Italian stockholdings alone run to $1.6 billion, 15% of the value of listed shares on the Italian market. The Vatican has big investments in banking, insurance, chemicals, steel, construction, real estate. Dividends help pay for Vatican expenses and charities such as assisting 1,500,000 children and providing some measure of food and clothing to 7,000,000 needy Italians. Unlike ordinary stockholders, the Vatican pays no taxes on this income
      Read more: Roman Catholics: The Vatican's Wealth - TIME http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,833509,00.html#ixzz2kOol2CpS

    Yet another example of the greed and hypocrisy of religions. :twisted:

For once we actually agree 100% on something! All religions are the same no matter which God they support. :x

Posted By: Tangutica

Couldn't agree more with your sentiments Byker. And I bet the Phillipinas here who all attend church every sunday will still be putting money into the offering plates there to swell the Church's coffers a bit more (as well as sending home what they can afford from their paltry wages).

Posted By: Steve - SJD

It's an initial emergency contribution not the final amount with more to follow. Cheers Steve

Posted By: baileyboy

It would be interesting to know who much the above posters have dipped in to their own pockets to contribute to such a worthy cause. And yes I have already contributed.

Posted By: spurs

  • baileyboy wrote:
    It would be interesting to know who much the above posters have dipped in to their own pockets to contribute to such a worthy cause.
    And yes I have already contributed.
Well said

Posted By: Santorini Paul 1

I'm afraid I feel the same about the donation from the catholic church. I think personal donations are just that, personal. Keep it to yourself and don't let this thread deterioate into the usual tit for tat replies. It's too important for that. Sky have just said you can donate on dec.org.uk Paul.

Posted By: spurs

http://world.time.com/2013/11/10/how-to-help-typhoon-victims/ every penny helps





Posted By: Byker

  • baileyboy wrote:
    It would be interesting to know who much the above posters have dipped in to their own pockets to contribute to such a worthy cause.
    And yes I have already contributed.

Why?
Nobody asked but so you say... :roll:

Posted By: Dave B

I come from a catholic family but for many years have had no belief at all. That said, Popa Frank is quite obviously a very good man and I am certain large sums and actual "cassocks on the ground" will follow in short order.

Posted By: Kwacka

As Steve reported "the Holy Father has decided to send a first contribution of 150,000 dollars to help the population". But with 60,000 praying for them in St Peter's Square alone, they won't need any further cash.

Posted By: mouse

  • baileyboy wrote:
    It would be interesting to know who much the above posters have dipped in to their own pockets to contribute to such a worthy cause.
    And yes I have already contributed.

But the posters on this thread probably ain't so wealthy as the Catholic Church. Them giving 100,000 euros is the equivalent of the normal guy in the street giving 1 cent.

Posted By: Marc C

Steve, I come to the Eastern Cyprus forum to learn and share information about Cyprus. I have not come to read the rantings of the type of ill informed and uneducated people which are found in "the pub" back in the UK. Please lock or preferably delete this (and similar) threads.

Posted By: dojoman

  • Marc C wrote:
    Steve,
    I come to the Eastern Cyprus forum to learn and share information about Cyprus. I have not come to read the rantings of the type of ill informed and uneducated people which are found in "the pub" back in the UK.
    Please lock or preferably delete this (and similar) threads.

If you don`t like a thread, then don`t read it, simples.

Posted By: Mr Tibbs

  • Marc C wrote:
    Steve,
    I come to the Eastern Cyprus forum to learn and share information about Cyprus. I have not come to read the rantings of the type of ill informed and uneducated people which are found in "the pub" back in the UK.
    Please lock or preferably delete this (and similar) threads.

I suspect this will be moved sometime soon to the likes of the Coffee Shop but - " delete" ? You're new around here - aren't you. :roll:



Posted By: Deakie

If you look at it per head of population, The UK's 10 million donation works out to 16 pence per head. The Vatican's 100,000 works out to £1250 per head. Start looking at total worth of a sovereign state, its assets and those of all its residents and its citizens resident in other countries then I'd say the UK outdoes the Vatican by many factors. (Vatican 15billion, UK around 7trillion) I'm not a Catholic, though was brought up as one, so probably more cynical about them than the average Joe and am under no illusions. But fair's fair, compare like with like.

Posted By: Kwacka

As Steve reported "the Holy Father has decided to send a first contribution of 150,000 dollars to help the population".

Posted By: Byker

  • Deakie wrote:
    If you look at it per head of population,
    The UK's 10 million donation works out to 16 pence per head.
    The Vatican's 100,000 works out to £1250 per head.
    Start looking at total worth of a sovereign state, its assets and those of all its residents and its citizens resident in other countries then I'd say the UK outdoes the Vatican by many factors. (Vatican 15billion, UK around 7trillion)
    I'm not a Catholic, though was brought up as one, so probably more cynical about them than the average Joe and am under no illusions.
    But fair's fair, compare like with like.

You jest. Badly. :down:
Look at the unearned income going into the Vatican... :roll:

Posted By: LynSab

People die while others debate... Fortunately the death toll isn't expected to be as high as feared 10,000 predicted deaths, now being to high, but displacement of millions can cause deaths quickly as no water shelter or food, hundreds of thousands together bring of course more diseases. Countries IMO have acted fast, getting stuff there logistically takes time, but it's arriving, a UK charity ( DEC ) collected 1.5 million in donations from ordinary people in 15 hours, we gave yesterday. Disaster charities are already geared up to send emergency supplies already bought and in warehouses to Cebu airport, that's why such charities need donations constantly, without such they wouldn't have the tents, the showers, the medical supplies, dried foods, blankets etc ready to go wherever needed. The UK sent 10 million initially, more for rebuild expected. Who cares who sends how much? :roll:

Posted By: devil

It is not how much cash is sent, but how much is used for real relief and how much sticks to fingers along the way.
Many 'charities' like the theme of charity beginning at home, with astronomic administrative costs and luxurious offices.
Take Oxfam, for example. they have eight well-equipped offices with well-paid (competitive) staff. Oxfam House is a magnificent building. On their web site, they put the emphasis on 'volunteer' work, ostensibly to minimise costs but more to exploit the naive. Their volunteers are not even entitled a discount on any goods they buy from the shop they work in. According to their own website, if you send them £1, only 36 p will go for emergency relief.
The British Red Cross had a revenue of £200.1 million last year and they spent £137.6 million on charitable activities, of which £26.9 million for emergency work in the UK. The International Red Cross had an operating income of CHF 1.01 billion and an operating expenditure of CHF 1.05 billion, of which CHF 202 million was for the purchase of materials and a further CHF 93 million for other aid.
I'm not saying that all charities are administratively top-heavy. For example, Swiss Solidarity is totally transparent and
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  • Swiss Solidarity’s Board of Directors approved the constitution of clearly declared operating, exchange rate and currency reserves. This step was taken because the foundation was forced, for the first time in its history, by the poor interest conditions in 2010 and 2011 to use 2% of donated funds to cover operating costs.

They operate by targeted campaigns. For example, the Indian Ocean Tsunami, December 2004, raised CHF 227 million, mostly by donations from within Switzerland. Their campaigns are cost-free mostly through a day of bending ears and eyes on radio and television in all 4 linguistic regions and free printed media advertising. The day set aside for the Philippines disaster campaign is 18 November. I know the funds for this campaign are already pouring in, (over CHF 2.1 million) mainly from corporations at the moment but also from individuals. This is why I favour Swiss Solidarity, even though there are many other worthy charities.

Posted By: Kwacka

One further point, after various governments had promised US $5.5 billion to help Haiti after the earthquake. Eight months later, only 2% of that amount had been paid out, with contributions from Australia, Estonia, Norway & Brazil. A year after the 2004 tsunami, governments had paid 9% of the total they had collectively pledged. two years on the Daily Telegraph reported that Britain was the slowest to pay, having paid out 20% of what it had promised. To add further confusion to the situation, various organisations appear to do their own thing with no co-ordination with other groups. For example, I heard a report yesterday of a young girl from a disaster areas who was displaying the symptoms of measles. It turned out that three different bodies had given her measles vaccinations.

Posted By: Woodrow Why?at

  • Marc C wrote:
    Steve,
    I come to the Eastern Cyprus forum to learn and share information about Cyprus. I have not come to read the rantings of the type of ill informed and uneducated people which are found in "the pub" back in the UK.
    Please lock or preferably delete this (and similar) threads.

Off topic, as was Marc C's, but to answer his post..... in just over eight years you have amassed the grand total of 104 posts, or 0.04 a day!
If every poster on here (ill informed and uneducated, or not) had the same posting record as you the Forum would have died years ago!
And yet you have the audacity to try and dictate what should, and shouldn't be allowed on here!!
To use the favourite phrase of one of those ill informed and uneducated you refer to, "You couldn't make it up"!!!!



Posted By: ProVox

Byker ..... do you remember how you ridiculed me a few months ago for having the foresight to consider reasonable steps to survive for a few weeks after some unforeseeable catastrophic event that disrupts everyday life to the extent that we could not get food, water, medicine or fuel? What did you infer I was, a ‘ nut-case prepper’ ? Something like this makes it seem like a good idea, within reason, to have a bit of back-up ......... just in case. :-k
No doubt in the Philippines those in power and the Elite will not suffer starvation but I wonder how many ordinary people were actually smart enough to hoard a few supplies just-in-case? Although of course most are so poor they unfortunately have to live hand-to-mouth anyway and could not afford to hoard.
Cyprus is very close to a major fault line and most of the large towns and the main highway, are just above sea level. It is possible that something similar could happen here!
As is painfully obvious in the Philippines if you survive the initial event it is best to take reasonable steps to survive independently until the aid agencies get their act together? In almost every interview with survivors in the Philippines, one week on and they are desperate for food, water and medicine!
Money is useless if there is nothing to buy. It is later that money is needed and according to a previous post it seems that often all these promises of aid money don’t seem to come to fruition? :x

Posted By: Byker

  • ProVox wrote:
    Byker ..... do you remember how you ridiculed me a few months ago for having the foresight to consider reasonable steps to survive for a few weeks after some unforeseeable catastrophic event that disrupts everyday life to the extent that we could not get food, water, medicine or fuel? What did you infer I was, a ‘ nut-case prepper’ ? Something like this makes it seem like a good idea, within reason, to have a bit of back-up ......... just in case. :-k
    No doubt in the Philippines those in power and the Elite will not suffer starvation but I wonder how many ordinary people were actually smart enough to hoard a few supplies just-in-case? Although of course most are so poor they unfortunately have to live in hand-to-mouth anyway and could not afford to hoard.
    Cyprus is very close to a major fault line and most of the large towns and the main highway, are just above sea level. It is possible that something similar could happen here!
    As is painfully obvious in the Philippines if you survive the initial event it is best to take reasonable steps to survive independently until the aid agencies get their act together? In almost every interview with survivors in the Philippines, one week on and they are desperate for food, water and medicine!
    Money is useless if there is nothing to buy. It is later that money is needed and according to a previous post it seems that often all these promises of aid money don’t seem to come to fruition? :x

I seem to recall your prepping consists of more than stashing a few cans of beans away but if you think a disaster in the Philippines justifies prepping in modern day Europe then prep away...My comments still stand. :roll:

Posted By: Tangutica

What good is a stash of emergency supplies if your dwelling has been flattened and swept away? I doubt the average person in the Phillipines as a secure storage unit away from their home and on safe ground. My idea of prepping is to make sure I've got torches in case of power cuts and a few things in the car in case of breakdown - water etc. and not to go out without my phone, money/CC and my ciggies!

Posted By: essence

I think I will build a storm shelter...something strong and sturdy...just in case.The shelter will be stocked with snide lager from Lidl,and loads of Fray Bentos tinned pies.No typhoon is gonna spoil my day... :lol: As a added precaution , I always say my prayers at night... :lol:

Posted By: Byker

  • essence wrote:
    I think I will build a storm shelter...something strong and sturdy...just in case.The shelter will be stocked with snide lager from Lidl,and loads of Fray Bentos tinned pies.No typhoon is gonna spoil my day... :lol: As a added precaution , I always say my prayers at night... :lol:

You forgot the bottle and can openers....Me? I'm taking my sawn off and heading to PV's place . 8)

Posted By: Mr Tibbs

  • Byker wrote:
    • essence wrote:
      I think I will build a storm shelter...something strong and sturdy...just in case.The shelter will be stocked with snide lager from Lidl,and loads of Fray Bentos tinned pies.No typhoon is gonna spoil my day... :lol: As a added precaution , I always say my prayers at night... :lol:

    You forgot the bottle and can openers....Me? I'm taking my sawn off and heading to PV's place . 8)

I was thinking more in terms of perhaps sitting around a candle there, eating beans and continuing debating, eye-to-eye. :D Looks like we would have to take our own Cabernet Sauvignon though. \:D/

Posted By: Byker

I was thinking more in terms of perhaps sitting around a candle there, eating beans and continuing debating, eye-to-eye. :D Looks like we would have to take our own Cabernet Sauvignon though. \:D/
A sort of post-armageddon Blazing Saddles?... 8-[
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs



Posted By: Mr Tibbs

  • Byker wrote:
    • Tibbs wrote:
      I was thinking more in terms of perhaps sitting around a candle there, eating beans and continuing debating, eye-to-eye. :D Looks like we would have to take our own Cabernet Sauvignon though. \:D/

    A sort of post-armageddon Blazing Saddles?... 8-[
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs

Listen mate - just because you can spell Armegidd, Armogod, Arydeddon and I can't.......... I mean............................ is it the end of the world!?:evil:

Posted By: ProVox

You see .... you just don’t know me at all! :) :wink:
We would sit in front of a glowing log fire, with a drink ( I only drink lager/beer ) of whatever you want, although the whiskey and other spirits I have are at least 20 years old and the good brandy all went into various sweets over the years. The candles would be for effect only and I have a wide taste in background music to suit the mood, from ABBA to the Edinburgh Military Tattoo! We would then have a nice three of four course meal .... like Mrs Buckets ‘Candlelight Suppers’. My wife is an excellent chef. :)
You would only be able to fart after my wife has........... so, that will never happen as my wife is a lady, you will have to wait until you leave. [-X
Byker:
As for your ‘ sawn-off' I could down you before you were close enough to use it! But warn me before you arrive so I can deactivate the perimeter intruder detection system, the floodlights, switch off the electrified razor wire fence and please stay on the marked walkway ........... I would hate you to trip a mine (it’s soooooo messy clearing up afterwards ) and join me and Tibb’s for a drink and a ‘chat’. :) :wink:


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