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Posted By: journeyman

Mouse yes I know, but the Labour party have allready passed this into law but rising to 68, they did this a couple of years ago 2007... Read pages 11 through to 13 http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/@over50/documents/digitalasset/dg_180197.pdf



Posted By: DAC

  • mouse wrote:

    David Cameron in the last TV debate actually said that they would increase the retirement age to 66.!!

That's still quite low. IIRC the consultants that the Labour government paid recommended a retirement age closer to 70.
Child Benefit - Should be means tested
Winter fuel payments - Should be means tested
Free TV licences Should be means tested
Uni Fee's Increase them
Income tax threshold Raise it to 10k and then stop giving people tax credits
Job Seekers Limit it to 18 months and then taper it right down so as to incentivise people to actually get work.
Public Sector Pay Freeze it for 3 years
VAT Introduce a scheme whereby the rate of VAT increases at different values. e.g. purchases up to 100 @ 15% - purchases from 101- 499 @ 17.5% above 500 @ 20% (or something like that)

Posted By: mouse

  • journeyman wrote:
    So Gb taking 5 billion out of the pension fund each year not a cut,theft in my eyes, in fact the Mirror group owner Maxwellwho did it years ago was classed a crook.
    Of course we need cut tbacks big time, even Brown had to admit that in the end, and the only party I have heard so far say they will reduce Child Benefit & winter Fuel payments(this I agree for working people aged between 60-65) are the Lib Dems.
    The labour party have allready agreed to increase retirement age so whats new about that.

David Cameron in the last TV debate actually said that they would increase the retirement age to 66.!!

Posted By: journeyman

So Gb taking 5 billion out of the pension fund each year not a cut,theft in my eyes, in fact the Mirror group owner Maxwellwho did it years ago was classed a crook. Of course we need cut tbacks big time, even Brown had to admit that in the end, and the only party I have heard so far say they will reduce Child Benefit & winter Fuel payments(this I agree for working people aged between 60-65) are the Lib Dems. The labour party have allready agreed to increase retirement age so whats new about that.

Posted By: mouse

  • cansweet wrote:
    I notice everyone talking about the public service in Greece, and the cuts they are going to endure. I will make a prediction that if the conservatives are returned to power in GB, THEN THE SAVAGERY OF THE GREEK CUTS WILL PALE IN COMPARISON TO WHAT CAMERON WILL INFLICT ON THE PEOPLE OF BRITAIN. I am not pro any party, but this guy is one sly man, and god help every person in the country if they return them to power. I'm no great lover of G Browne, but at least we know what the story is with him, and whats coming down the line.
    Conservatives will cut pensions, increase the entitlement age, increase income tax, almost abolish child benefit, and the same with unemployment benefit. Then they will start with the public service, and if I was working in that particular agency , I would be very worried indeed. While some of you might say that some of the above is nescessary, it's the scale of the savage cuts that will abhor people, and it will be good enough for them. After all it will be the people that will have given them the power to do this, and rest assured they will relish in doing so. You have been warned :wink:

I agree with you there cansweet, sometimes the devil you know comes to mind.!!

Posted By: Tangutica

Well DAC, sad this is tourism and shipping are, I believe, their main sources of revenue. Seems like some of them are on a suicide course. Some of the articles I've been reading on the BBC sites have Greeks blaming their parents for the mess they are in. Greeks in their late 30s and 40s blaming their parents! And it was widely reported how some tourists could not get back into their hotels because of the rioters. It is bound to have an effect. On the other hand, they've reduced the price of holidays so?

Posted By: cansweet

I notice everyone talking about the public service in Greece, and the cuts they are going to endure. I will make a prediction that if the conservatives are returned to power in GB, THEN THE SAVAGERY OF THE GREEK CUTS WILL PALE IN COMPARISON TO WHAT CAMERON WILL INFLICT ON THE PEOPLE OF BRITAIN. I am not pro any party, but this guy is one sly man, and god help every person in the country if they return them to power. I'm no great lover of G Browne, but at least we know what the story is with him, and whats coming down the line. Conservatives will cut pensions, increase the entitlement age, increase income tax, almost abolish child benefit, and the same with unemployment benefit. Then they will start with the public service, and if I was working in that particular agency , I would be very worried indeed. While some of you might say that some of the above is nescessary, it's the scale of the savage cuts that will abhor people, and it will be good enough for them. After all it will be the people that will have given them the power to do this, and rest assured they will relish in doing so. You have been warned :wink:

Posted By: DAC

  • Tangutica wrote:

    I do wonder what will happen if the rioting escalates.

One things for sure, I can't see to many people rushing to book holidays to Greece this year....





Posted By: Tangutica

Yes DAC - heavy reliance on parents! Unmarried daughters can inherit their parents' fat pensions too. They retire about 10 yrs earlier than most of the rest of the EU, they get these ridiculous 14 or more pay packets a year. And some of them are wailing that the Germans and others are 'just jealous of their lifestyle'! Too bluddy right they are. A safety net for richer nations to help poorer ones is one thing but a mechanism where hardworking nations have to shell out to help those who have a pampered lifestyle compared with their own is quite another. We had austerity measures in the UK years back, no one liked them but we didn't set fire to our policeman. I do wonder what will happen if the rioting escalates. I read that under the Lisbon Treaty stuff, the UN are entitled to send in troops to quell rioters.

Posted By: PepsiCan

  • pav wrote:
    i wonder how much it is costing their country while the protesters are trying to burn athens down 20 million a day ???? 50 million a day????? 100 million a day.
    paul.

if you go onto some of the forums where the issue is discussed, you also get a feeling of denial by some Greeks. They just do not seem to grasp the concept that they have all profited from cheap money and lacks rules in the last decade. They just seem to think that because someone else in their country is richer than they are, they should therefore be exempted from paying the price.

Posted By: pav

i wonder how much it is costing their country while the protesters are trying to burn athens down 20 million a day ???? 50 million a day????? 100 million a day. paul.

Posted By: Tangutica

It's the public servants with their ridiculously 'pampered' jobs who should take the biggest hit. Their perks and pensions are ridiculous compared with most countries and I am not surprised that the hard working Germans object strongly to having to help them out.

Posted By: cansweet

Deanna, This is about to happen in all countries, although some are already doing it. So lets see how we all like it when it's our turn, it's not nice to have pay and perks taken away, or maybe you have taken the hit , if so i'm sorry but i'm afraid the world is banjaxed. We can blame everyone we want for the collapse, i think most of us had a go at making the fast buck, but by jingo it's pay back time, and we'er all going to pay, one way or the other.

Posted By: Deanna

And some of us might say 'not before time'............. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1270415/Collapse-salvation-stark-choice-faced-Greece-faces-26billion-budget-cuts-TWO-years.html

Posted By: DAC

  • PepsiCan wrote:
    • pav wrote:
      i wonder how much it is costing their country while the protesters are trying to burn athens down 20 million a day ???? 50 million a day????? 100 million a day.
      paul.

    if you go onto some of the forums where the issue is discussed, you also get a feeling of denial by some Greeks. They just do not seem to grasp the concept that they have all profited from cheap money and lacks rules in the last decade. They just seem to think that because someone else in their country is richer than they are, they should therefore be exempted from paying the price.

The poor darlings, it's always someone else's fault.
One Greek bloke said that he blamed his parents as they had taken advantage of the whole economic situation. Probelm was, the guy in question is 38 years old....!
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but is the legal age for voting not 18 in Greece. Also, he would have been about 29 when Greece entered the Euro currency zone..
Some people just never get-it....



Posted By: DAC

I once read that not only do the Greeks like to impose many laws, but that they also like to ignore them. Is the way of life that they are accustomed so ingrained within society that they are destined to a life time of corruption, scandal and back-handers...?
    Quote:
  • Greek minister loses job over husband's unpaid taxes
    A tax scandal has led to the dismissal of Greece's deputy tourism minister.
    Angela Gerekou was forced to go after a newspaper revealed that her husband, a popular singer, owed more than 5m euros in unpaid taxes and fines. BBC News

If that, or the rioting and bombings, doesn't help, it was also reportred by one of the bigger tour companies this weekend that holiday bookings to Greece are down by 30% from the UK and by some 20% from the German's, no surprises there then...!


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