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Posted By: scottie

I would like to think that I could feel sympathy for people who have their freedom of movement taken away and would have said that incarciration was indeed a terrible thing. However being honest with myself if someone had raped my daughter,murdered my son or harmed me or mine in an unlawful way would I worry about their sex lives,popping down the shops,strolling in the park or ordering their preferences in food ?and I have to admit my answer would be " I dont give a damn" I do believe that the prison system should be aimed as much at rehabinitation as incarciration and realise that ths is not the case. Some people can be helped and should be.I admit others cannot and will re offend over and over the system does not seem to be able to cope with this and minor offenders are put in with old lags , what results is an apprentiship



Posted By: cyprussmoothie

cannot resist this one.
How dare they expect anything to be provided for them. Many of them have deprived others of a life, a loved one or purely possessions lovingly saved for and bought. They by choice have deprived others.
When i worked for the probation service as a secretary i was mugged. The following morning the case was brought before the court and the judge asked me what i wanted and i told him for the perpetrator of this crime to be locked up as he had taken my freedom from fear away. He was locked up but then when returning to work imagine my horror when i was asked to type up this history and the officer i was assigned to was maiking notes of how to help this 'poor' individual cope on the outside after time served. Where was the help for me? erm apart from counselling nothing.
Sorry no sympathy from this quarter whatsoever, they commit the crime they do the time, hard and perhaps some of them will learn crime does not pay. I agree that if things are so bloody awful then why do so many reoffend? Nah too easy by far.
Vee [its me]

Posted By: Bigade

  • Tangutica wrote:
    I wouldn't consider incarceration anywhere to be anything like a life of luxury.
    Just not to be able to watch the sun rise and set and step outside whenever I want to and walk about freely would kill me off.
    I guess that, if in every aspect of the prison life that is mentioned here, the offender's 'home life' is worse or falls short - then they might consider themselves to be 'well off' inside.
    But if that were so, perhaps there is a case to be made for saying that it was their awful home environment that made them turn to crime?
    Some seem to be saying that they commit the crimes to get the reward of being locked up in comparative 'luxury' .

Tang, that is exactly what happens in many cases.
Where I came from in the UK, around Christmas time, many homeless and less well off people would get themselves into trouble with the law, knowing full well they would be locked up for the Christmas period. In there, they would be well fed, warm and dry, and have various gifts and facilities bestowed upon them which they would not get outside........ all this, at the expense of the taxpayer too.

Posted By: geoffreys

  • Tangutica wrote:
    I wouldn't consider incarceration anywhere to be anything like a life of luxury.
    Just not to be able to watch the sun rise and set and step outside whenever I want to and walk about freely would kill me off.
    I guess that, if in every aspect of the prison life that is mentioned here, the offender's 'home life' is worse or falls short - then they might consider themselves to be 'well off' inside.
    But if that were so, perhaps there is a case to be made for saying that it was their awful home environment that made them turn to crime?
    Some seem to be saying that they commit the crimes to get the reward of being locked up in comparative 'luxury'.

That is easy to sort out - make sure being "inside" is NOT comparitive luxury. The USA Boot camps come to mind!
Geoff

Posted By: Tangutica

I wouldn't consider incarceration anywhere to be anything like a life of luxury. Just not to be able to watch the sun rise and set and step outside whenever I want to and walk about freely would kill me off. I guess that, if in every aspect of the prison life that is mentioned here, the offender's 'home life' is worse or falls short - then they might consider themselves to be 'well off' inside. But if that were so, perhaps there is a case to be made for saying that it was their awful home environment that made them turn to crime? Some seem to be saying that they commit the crimes to get the reward of being locked up in comparative 'luxury'.

Posted By: Bigade

My point exactly!

Posted By: Campbell Findlay

'fraid I am of the old school -once you had been birched you didn't want it again and once you had been to a REAL jail you weren't keen to go back.I visited quite a few jails during the course of a thirty one year career.In some (not all) the lunatics ran the asylum and others were just a joke. Surgical removal of a hand (their choice) and chemical castration spring to mind.Throw away the key for repeat offenders and child molesters. I am always sickened by the sympathetic approach to lags but there is very little support for the VICTIMS.Things are improving but once a victim/witnerss has done their bit in Court the Justice System melts into the background.I am aware of the work that Victim Support does but they themselves need support. There is no cure for a Paedophile - only self control. Cheers, Campbell. :(

Posted By: geoffreys

  • Denise55 wrote:
    I haven't read it no but I do have a friend who is a prison officer.
    Most prisoners earn 10 a week. Out of that they have to pay for use of a tv, for phone credit which is considerably more than normal payphones, stamps and letter cigarettes or tobacco if they smoke, and sweets/chocolate/make up/ or whatever else is available from the prison shop, which is the only place they can have things from. They are not allowed to have any of those things sent into them.
    All the comforts of home? ........................
    A wife/husband/boyfriend/girlfriend to make love to?.......................... No
    Ability to hug a loved one?.............................No
    Ability to see a loved one more than once a week, and then only 2 visitors?....................................No
    Internet access?.............................No
    A choice when to eat and when not to eat?...........................No
    A choice of what to eat?............................................No
    Have a drink of alcohol?..............................No
    Go for a drive in the country?................................No
    Ring the local takeaway for a curry?..............................No
    Pop out to the shops?....................................No
    Go on holiday?......................................No
    Private bathroom?..........................................No
    Privacy?..........................................No
    I have all those things in my home and imagine most people do. I'm sure I could come up with many more things besides which law abiding citizens take for granted.
    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying for one minute they should have those things but when people make throwaway statements like that they don't always stop and think. The punishment of a prison sentence is being denied all those things. Not to be starved or whatever else you think should happen to them in prison.

If you refer to UK prisons we know from various investigations (including BBC's Panorama" and by the Chief Inspector of Prisons) that drugs are freely available, along with mobile phones with which to "run" their "criminal empires" outside - all smuggled in, often by or with the collusion of Prison Officers.
Geoff





Posted By: Elizavet

They may lose a lot of choices , when they enter prison life, yet many of them re-offend and will find themsleves back in prison. If life in prison is so unbearable for them, why would they come out and re-offend knowing they could be sent back? They have choices when they have served their time and are released from prison, same as the rest of us, "to obey the law"

Posted By: Bigade

  • Denise55 wrote:
    I haven't read it no but I do have a friend who is a prison officer.
    Most prisoners earn 10 a week. Out of that they have to pay for use of a tv, for phone credit which is considerably more than normal payphones, stamps and letter cigarettes or tobacco if they smoke, and sweets/chocolate/make up/ or whatever else is available from the prison shop, which is the only place they can have things from. They are not allowed to have any of those things sent into them.
    All the comforts of home? ........................
    A wife/husband/boyfriend/girlfriend to make love to?.......................... No
    Ability to hug a loved one?.............................No
    Ability to see a loved one more than once a week, and then only 2 visitors?....................................No
    Internet access?.............................No
    A choice when to eat and when not to eat?...........................No
    A choice of what to eat?............................................No
    Have a drink of alcohol?..............................No
    Go for a drive in the country?................................No
    Ring the local takeaway for a curry?..............................No
    Pop out to the shops?....................................No
    Go on holiday?......................................No
    Private bathroom?..........................................No
    Privacy?..........................................No
    I have all those things in my home and imagine most people do. I'm sure I could come up with many more things besides which law abiding citizens take for granted.
    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying for one minute they should have those things but when people make throwaway statements like that they don't always stop and think. The punishment of a prison sentence is being denied all those things. Not to be starved or whatever else you think should happen to them in prison.

You are very well informed, or are you ex PO.

Posted By: Bigade

  • SBS wrote:
    I know prisoners in the UK get lots of luxuries but I've heard Nicosia Prison is pretty rough, which is how prisons should be.

Agreed.

Posted By: SBS

I know prisoners in the UK get lots of luxuries but I've heard Nicosia Prison is pretty rough, which is how prisons should be.

Posted By: Woodrow Why?at

I'm somewhere in between Bigade and Denise on this! Loss of liberty is indeed a punishment in itself and, in a civilised society, it cannot be correct to just lock somebody up in their cell for 24 hours a day on bread and water!! And, I would suggest, the vast majority of prison inmates are simply ignorant, ill educated, lacking social cohesion and mostly addicted to drugs! (Not that any of that excuses their behaviour, but it is possible to reabilitate them - which would not happen if you simply treated them like animals during their encasement!) However, in the worst documented cases, which involve acts of terrible violence, then they deserve no mercy!

Posted By: Denise55

Wouldn't you put that down to bravado? If it's so good in prison why is a man 5 times more likely to commit suicide in prison than the rest of the population?

Posted By: Bigade

  • Denise55 wrote:
    I never said they should have but life of luxury it ain't.

Your opinion!....... but knowing a few scoundrels in the past that have served time, I would disagree with you, they had far more in than out.



Posted By: Denise55

I never said they should have but life of luxury it ain't.

Posted By: Bigade

Stop......... you're breaking my heart! As far as I am concerned, they broke the law, and not in a small way. They should not have any rights. The prison system in the UK is too damned soft.

Posted By: Denise55

I haven't read it no but I do have a friend who is a prison officer. Most prisoners earn 10 a week. Out of that they have to pay for use of a tv, for phone credit which is considerably more than normal payphones, stamps and letter cigarettes or tobacco if they smoke, and sweets/chocolate/make up/ or whatever else is available from the prison shop, which is the only place they can have things from. They are not allowed to have any of those things sent into them. All the comforts of home? ........................ A wife/husband/boyfriend/girlfriend to make love to?.......................... No Ability to hug a loved one?.............................No Ability to see a loved one more than once a week, and then only 2 visitors?....................................No Internet access?.............................No A choice when to eat and when not to eat?...........................No A choice of what to eat?............................................No Have a drink of alcohol?..............................No Go for a drive in the country?................................No Ring the local takeaway for a curry?..............................No Pop out to the shops?....................................No Go on holiday?......................................No Private bathroom?..........................................No Privacy?..........................................No I have all those things in my home and imagine most people do. I'm sure I could come up with many more things besides which law abiding citizens take for granted. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying for one minute they should have those things but when people make throwaway statements like that they don't always stop and think. The punishment of a prison sentence is being denied all those things. Not to be starved or whatever else you think should happen to them in prison.

Posted By: Bigade

  • Denise55 wrote:
    • Bigade wrote:
      All well and good, these long sentences, but they will still live the life of Riley behind bars because of all the bloody do gooders...... so what is the point of it all.

    People are not sent to prison to be punished. The punishment is the loss of the freedom to live as a free person. To live behind locked doors for however long they serve. To be unable to even go outside and breathe fresh air when they want to. To be unable to see family and friends when they want to. To have no sex life, no love and affection and everything a prison sentence entails.
    Perhaps you think that is the life of Riley. I don't.

So, you don't read the reports about prison life........ 3 good meals a day, all your laundry done for you, all the comforts of home, and wages too...... does this sound like punishment? Many of the prisoners are better off inside than they are out, and I would bet these thugs fall into that category.

Posted By: Denise55

  • Bigade wrote:
    All well and good, these long sentences, but they will still live the life of Riley behind bars because of all the bloody do gooders...... so what is the point of it all.

People are not sent to prison to be punished. The punishment is the loss of the freedom to live as a free person. To live behind locked doors for however long they serve. To be unable to even go outside and breathe fresh air when they want to. To be unable to see family and friends when they want to. To have no sex life, no love and affection and everything a prison sentence entails.
Perhaps you think that is the life of Riley. I don't.

Posted By: Bigade

All well and good, these long sentences, but they will still live the life of Riley behind bars because of all the bloody do gooders...... so what is the point of it all.

Posted By: SBS

His website is dated 1 March, saying the court cases have finished and there will be updates soon. Still waiting!



Posted By: Kwacka

  • SBS wrote:
    Talking of Justice, what's happened to Conor? His last cases were heard in February. His website said in February he would be updating the info, but still nothing. This Forum has been plastered with his case for years, and now it's gone quiet. Do we assume he didn't get justice????

Possibly because anything written here (by anybody) and on Conor's website can only aid the opposition's case(s).

Posted By: tinabean

Anpet, I agree, justice!!! I was there ......... Me Bean!!

Posted By: Denise55

I think you're mistaken SBS. His facebook page implies his wife was giving evidence in late April and even then there would be final submissions to be given and then judgement will perhaps take some months. He and his family have been waiting a long long time for justice. I'm sure we all hope he'll get it soon. He and his family have suffered enough at the hands of those criminals.

Posted By: SBS

Talking of Justice, what's happened to Conor? His last cases were heard in February. His website said in February he would be updating the info, but still nothing. This Forum has been plastered with his case for years, and now it's gone quiet. Do we assume he didn't get justice????

Posted By: anpet

What a result. Brings back some faith after all the namby-pamby judges!! http://uk.news.yahoo.com/riot-gang-members-jailed-30-years-150707529.html


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