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Posted By: Byker

There seems to be tendency on this forum to, whenever Cyprus is criticized, jump in with comments in the vein of "But look at the UK, it's the same or worse".
Can't something just be wrong in Cyprus without the need to compare it, or, as I suspect, are some people just trying to justify their decision to come here by slagging off the UK in retaliation?
Occasionally when the UK is critized this happens in reverse, so I'm not taking shots at, or joining either camp. After 21 years here what happens elsewhere means very to me little unless it's likely to impact in Cyprus.



Posted By: LynSab

It happens on nearly all subjects as well. I once was guilty of it when I lived there, but I normally only compared with clear experiences that happened in both camps for us, as I have now got experience in both camps so to speak. Some of us need to justify our choices, it's a need to feel correct in decision making, it just makes you feel better that's all. Experiences in both camps will and should happen we are in the main British expats or British Cypriots so can compare easily. I enjoyed my time there very much and was enriched by a different warmer life for sometime, but two years back for me and OH it wore thin. We have experienced very good and very bad in both countries all very real, we still have our life savings in a property there which we accept now we will not get much return on, but that's just our problem. I won't start my list of why's and wherefores right now on glad to be back, but there is a valid reason, my two Cyprus rescue cats also love the UK country life. We did though commit fully to Cyprus and were living in our second home there when the decision was made we'd had enough. But mention milk and I can tell you how much I pay, what you pay and why it matters. But it doesn't always tally out does it? :lol: :lol: :lol: I find on other forums if you dare slag off Cyprus and defend the uk you are in deep doo doo. It's very strange, much worse is the defence that some in the north give to living there, just because they chose to, without thinking for a second of the possible legalities. Human nature?

Posted By: Tangutica

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  • Can't something just be wrong in Cyprus without the need to compare it, or, as I suspect, are some people just trying to justify their decision to come here by slagging off the UK in retaliation?

Yes. And it's not even comparing like with like really is it? Not when you take into account the population size and just about everything else.
I wouldn't go so far as to say I don't care what happens in the UK. I've got all my family there and do care about stuff that impacts on them, the same as they care about what happens in Cyprus if it impacts on me. So far none of them think I should leave! In fact some of them are coming over for a few weeks next Wed.

Posted By: essence

Its always the usual posters,who live in a constant state of denial.Anyone who dares to find fault with Cyprus , meets with a torrent of abuse.Unable to face the realities of life,they blunder ever onward,in a rose tinted world.However,these individuals must not be allowed to dictate any debate with their myths,and half truths.One can only speculate as to why they persist with their bleat"Cyprus good Cyprus good",despite evidence showing otherwise.I treat their posts with the contempt they deserve,never resorting to name calling,that just makes you look small,stupid,and ignorant.The truth always hurts,so they say!

Posted By: mouse

  • Byker wrote:
    There seems to be tendency on this forum to, whenever Cyprus is criticized, jump in with comments in the vein of "But look at the UK, it's the same or worse".
    Can't something just be wrong in Cyprus without the need to compare it, or, as I suspect, are some people just trying to justify their decision to come here by slagging off the UK in retaliation?
    Occasionally when the UK is critized this happens in reverse, so I'm not taking shots at, or joining either camp. After 21 years here what happens elsewhere means very to me little unless it's likely to impact in Cyprus.

So true!!
I don't give a toss what happens in the UK as long as it doesn't affect the wife and me, but I do care about Cyprus as it is my home, I have made it my permanent home and I like to give my opinion or whinge if something affects us. But as you say it does seem that some members on the forum do not think we should be allowed our opinions or thoughts on any subject to do with Cyprus.

Posted By: Tangutica

  • mouse wrote:
    • Byker wrote:
      There seems to be tendency on this forum to, whenever Cyprus is criticized, jump in with comments in the vein of "But look at the UK, it's the same or worse".
      Can't something just be wrong in Cyprus without the need to compare it, or, as I suspect, are some people just trying to justify their decision to come here by slagging off the UK in retaliation?
      Occasionally when the UK is critized this happens in reverse, so I'm not taking shots at, or joining either camp. After 21 years here what happens elsewhere means very to me little unless it's likely to impact in Cyprus.

    So true!!
    I don't give a toss what happens in the UK as long as it doesn't affect the wife and me, but I do care about Cyprus as it is my home, I have made it my permanent home and I like to give my opinion or whinge if something affects us. But as you say it does seem that some members on the forum do not think we should be allowed our opinions or thoughts on any subject to do with Cyprus.

No, but, if it had gone ahead as announced, you would have been more than welcome to contribute to the 'bail in' by paying your levy! I don't think anyone would have protested that foreigners shouldn't have anything to do with it!

Posted By: journo

  • Byker wrote:
    There seems to be tendency on this forum to, whenever Cyprus is criticized, jump in with comments in the vein of "But look at the UK, it's the same or worse".

I think many of those comments are not proferred as a 'comparison' suggesting that one or the other is better, but are a reaction to the 'Only in Cyprus' remarks...which are quite obviously, in most instances, simply not factual.
Similar problems DO generally exist elsewhere, whether it's Brazil, South Africa, Australia, China, India, the United States....or the UK.

Posted By: romatarot

i agree, as a lot of complaints concerning similar institutions/govt. enforcement of what we may perceive as our own 'protection', i find, born in s africa, only our nearest and dearest care for our protection then, when they die, we have sole responsibility for that and then, for our offspring etc here, as there in s africa, the saying 'if it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger' is the usual response to rather awful incidents, including the death of one's parents and in life there, 'fairness' isn't an issue. life is the way life is. we are the way we are, warts and all. get up and do something to change whatever it is you rally against so much. what goes around comes around. that is the only recognizable law there. cyprus, like s africa, ( but with a much smaller population ) crime, death from natural causes, road accidents are commonplace. my own granddad and mom died in one when i was 8. i struggled with all the 'nanny state' rules in the uk, where i lived for 30 years. starting in glastonbury, then street, then shepton mallet, then looe, then plymouth, then souf eas lundin. constant piss taking abounded whenever i appeared - 'how's your slave?', well actually i housed and fed the poor. went to work as a publisher in new york. held in customs for six hours, cos i wore a kaftan and had long hair. had dosh, had somewhere to stay. to say i despair of equality is an understatement. the inflated sense of customs officers' rights is something to this very day i abhor, yet i married an air force pilot, oh dear, how times have changed............. then the locals asking me 'how big is the hut you live in?' do you have a lion for a pet? i won't go on and bore the be f....... jes.s out of you all.... having owned a farm in natal where we kept jersey dairy, untold fruit and veg, nut orchards, dam with 'reptiles' swimming and thoroughbred horse breeders to either side of us, the most fertile and greenest of valleys adjoining the valley of a 1,000 hills, again, it was home. now home is here, in a potato field, growing our own and all is forgiven. you may 'moan and groan', yes, like we may - our oh, kids, pets, jobs, govts, bankers, whatever BUT lord help anybody else who tries to say anything bad about what we hold dear! MERKEL! ANASTASIADES! None of us here wants to be told what to do, think, say, believe nor buy into. I hold out a faint hope that Makario's offer will be taken by the incumbents. the church, providing low rentals to businesses here in Liopetri, feeding, heating and raising money for the poor are also holders of incredibly wealthy assets. for too long they've dabbled in inappropriate sectors of life, I mean, a priest who owns a bank? or at least a large share of one? Jesus 'moneylenders in the house of my father' yet another 'story' the church, if it is a genuine offer and personally i think it should be a gift, not a loan, should pay this ransom mainly to protect the saver, call for justice and individual gamblers to pay in the courts for their mistakes, just like we all have to in/out of the law. let's see





Posted By: mouse

Hi Roma That's the first time I have actually read one of your longer posts, and I actually understand what you mean. Good post.


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