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Posted By: danny and denise

if you used the word gun you would have 20 old bill there in minutes all armed (i'm not saying to do this by the way).



Posted By: mouse

I can understand where you are coming from Dave, but you are wrong!!. The point Lindy is making is that someone could die in a fire whilst being called out on a burglary, which after all has got nothing to do with the fire brigade. The best response to get the police in the right place quickly is to say I think i have just shot a burgler. Shootings take priorority over anything else, might get you in trouble but you will get a quick response.

Posted By: Lindy

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  • I hope that it never happens to you, but maybe you might think differently when you have been the victim of such a crime.

Actually Dave, I have twice been a victim of serious crime. In both instances, police responded extremely quickly, (incidentally, not via a 999 call). The perpetrator for the more serious offence, was dealt with in due course, by the courts, leading to a sentence which reflected the crime.
I do appreciate, that being burgled/having your car broken into, etc, is extremely distressing. However, your suggestion for dealing with this kind of offence, by lying, is IMO irresponsible.
Journeyman, you're right - I remember that happening more than once. The emergency services will always respond, and often work closely together. My point to Dave, is that deliberately saying there was a fire, when there clearly wasn't one, potentially puts lives at risk. Good old Mandy though, eh? He does SO love to be involved. Bless him.


Posted By: journeyman

Well you could call it old news, something simlar but Fire brigade standing in for Ambulances...
    Quote:
  • WEVE STOOD IN FOR AMBULANCES BEFORE
    Premium Article !
    Published Date: 24 October 2000
    Shocking admission by fire brigade
    BRIGADE bosses today revealed that the fire crew sent to a heart attack victim in place of an ambulance is not the only time they have been called upon.
    Angry Hartlepool MP Peter Mandelson hit out after the Hartlepool Mailrevealed how a fire engine
    was sent to heart attack victim John McEwan because no ambulances were available.


Posted By: DAC

  • mouse wrote:
    I can understand where you are coming from Dave, but you are wrong!!.

I know that what I'm saying is wrong, but when you're in desperate need of assistance, you gotta do what you gotta do.
  • Lindy wrote:
    I do appreciate, that being burgled/having your car broken into, etc, is extremely distressing.

Believe me, I didn't find that distressing. What I did find it was disgusting, disgusting that the very society that I've spilt blood to protect is more concerned with the blinking Human Rights of the criminals, than of dealing and helping the victims.
At no stage of the thread have I said that to do so would be right. What I have said was that if you were say, a vulnerable person, in a house alone and you knew that your had a burglar down stairs, then to ensure that you got immediate attention then call 999 and say that their was a fire.
But hey, I suppose that as you find it so repugnant, that you'll also turn in your grave at the thought of the likes of the AA or RAC giving Lone Woman, in broken down cars, priority over others in the same situation.

Posted By: danny and denise

Two of my employees were mending a water main leak on the Bayswater road in london W2, which is a very busy road in the heart of the west end, a guy come running running over shouting that a guy had just run off with our petrol disc cutter (for those in the trade a Paddys Motorbike, no offenece meant) one of our guys took off after him but ran straight past him as the scumbag had jumped in a car and fled. We got the reg no of the car a new VW golf he was using and a good description of the scumbag, and called the police immediatley, they didnt show up (we were working there for two weeks) we got a phone call a weeek later and plod asked what happend, we told them, havent heard a word since :shock: . so I can confirm that the Met Police are a bunch PC usless nancys. and i wonder if it was our cutter used in the Bristol job, Did any one get a description of it :lol:

Posted By: dawnnett

My Husband as been called to a break in , at Bristol Theives were cutting through the shutter useing a Disc cutter A group of men from houses over the road confronted them The theives ran them off with the disc cutter !! Police got there 3/4 hr later when the theives had gone taking cigs etc with them Dawn,

Posted By: DAC

  • dawnnett wrote:
    My Husband as been called to a break in , at Bristol
    Theives were cutting through the shutter useing a Disc cutter
    A group of men from houses over the road confronted them
    The theives ran them off with the disc cutter !!
    Police got there 3/4 hr later when the theives had gone taking cigs etc with them
    Dawn,

I know that it's of no consolation now, but if ever you need the Police in a hurry, when you call 999 tell the operator that there's a Fire.





Posted By: Lindy

DAC - I'm sure you are saying this in jest? It could result in a Fire Engine being sent somewhere, to the detriment of a real fire, with potential disaster.
Irresponsible advice IMO.
Linda


Posted By: DAC

  • Lindy wrote:
    DAC - I'm sure you are saying this in jest? It could result in a Fire Engine being sent somewhere, to the detriment of a real fire, with potential disaster.
    Irresponsible advice IMO.
    Linda

When our house was burgled, the Police came the next day.
When my business partners car was stolen, they came 36 hours later.
When their daughter's ex boyfriend broke into their house, when they were all out at an evening football match, and stole all the clothes that he had bought her and took one of every shoe, I jest you not, he and his accomplice also bypassed the dog. The police also waited until everything else on the manor had calmed down and done their follow up investigations the next day. You didn't have to be Inspector Morse to work out the M-O for the break in and you certainly didn't need to be "Cracker" to understand the thieves motives. The most worrying thing was not that no follow up was done, nor were any fingerprints looked for, but it was the fact that the "burglar" works as a teller in the local branch of the HSBC...!
So no. I wasn't saying it in Jest. And more to the point, it was a friend who is a Fireman that said it in the first place. It's a know fact that Firemen get called to more break-ins and domestic's than Plod.
When our car was broke into at Cape Greko, not only were we the victims, but upon return to the UK and when we made a claim on our travel insurance, we also soon became the accused.
There's no such thing as"cheeky" thieves, they're all scum and should be shot on sight.
(No offence to any of the Officer's on the forum as I fully understand the constraints under which you all work)

Posted By: Lindy

Dac
Your response astounds me. The duty and purpose of the Fire Service, is to respond to emergencies related to fires, NOT to theft from property or cars. For goodness sake! Two firefighters lost their lives this week, in Hampshire, saving countless lives of people living in a block of flats.
Imagine if that fire appliance had been called out to deal with a burglary, a few miles away. The consequences could have been very different.
Or imagine a fire at a caravan park - all those gas bottles - with the potential for a scene of total disaster. The Fire Service are called - but unfortunately, the idiot reporting a theft/burglary has lied and reported a fire, diverting resources possibly miles from the scene of the fire.
Extremely irresponsible in the very least. Loss of life at worst. And, it coud be YOUR family.
Lack of speedy response by Police officers is not good, but your suggestion could lead to the loss of innocent lives.
I cannot believe that any Firefighter would suggest telling the operator there was a fire, when there was not. A flippant remark, without thinking of potential consequences.


Posted By: DAC

  • Lindy wrote:
    Dac
    Your response astounds me.

The point about saying their is a fire is that it would automatically mean that the police were also tasked. If you had a burglar downstairs in your house, at 3am, I think that you would want an emergency services response immediately and not the next day.
A Police man also said to me that if a girl is raped, that she should never shout rape as everyone in the vicinity would just peg it, for fear of being accused. Instead the victim should shout “Fire” as that would get a friendlier response.
One popular method for ensuring that the home owner is incapacitated is to throw a big hand full of brass tacks (drawing pins) up your staircase. That way, when you come down to see what the noise is your feet are filled with sharp pins.
When I was based in London one of my young soldiers left a pub with his girlfriend, the two hooded muggers weren't interested in him as they knew that by that time of night that he would have spent all his money. So instead they focused their attention on his girlfriend, but to stop him from being a threat, they first stabbed him in the stomach, several times. Fortunately he made as near a full recovery as was possible.
Another young (off duty) soldier was stabbed when he went to check an unattended bag that had been left at a bus stop near to the barracks.
These people that perpetrate these crimes are complete scum that live by different values than you or I. To many of them, especially the Somali's, your life has no value and they would not bat an eyelid at killing you. As for your common burglar that broke into our house so as to get enough gear to feed his habit, the CID bloke that finally came to our house also said that in the majority of crimes against property that the criminal normally lives within a 100 meter radius of your house. The scum bag that broke into our house was closer, about 40 meters away, but as the drug using scum bag has “Human Rights” and even though the Police knew who he was, they couldn't go and knock on his door as their instinct wasn't a good enough reason to get a search warrant.
Do you know what it feel like to know that when you're putting up a new burglar alarm, when the windows are being repaired or your fetching in the replacement products that the scum bag that stole them is standing watching.......!
I hope that it never happens to you, but maybe you might think differently when you have been the victim of such a crime.

Posted By: Lindy

DAC wrote : I know that it's of no consolation now, but if ever you need the Police in a hurry, when you call 999 tell the operator that there's a Fire.
DAC wrote : At no stage of the thread have I said that to do so would be right. What I have said was that if you were say, a vulnerable person, in a house alone and you knew that your had a burglar down stairs, then to ensure that you got immediate attention then call 999 and say that their was a fire.

No?
Dave, you're wrong, though at least you now admit it. However, I fail to see what the AA and RAC bring to this discussion. As for you 'spilling blood' for your country, that is exactly what the poor firefighters have done, with fatal consequences. Just as brave, IMO. As are the other emergency services, including the Lifeboat service.


Posted By: irishboy

ref dan and denise ive worked in london for a time and i know what its like having stuff half inched i too worked on the roads there and had 2 paddys motorbikes nicked in brixton along with other parts of london these chancers will try anythin . i got crime number and all was ok insurance pays thats what we pay it for.

Posted By: DAC

  • Lindy wrote:
    DAC wrote : I know that it's of no consolation now, but if ever you need the Police in a hurry, when you call 999 tell the operator that there's a Fire.
    DAC wrote : At no stage of the thread have I said that to do so would be right. What I have said was that if you were say, a vulnerable person, in a house alone and you knew that your had a burglar down stairs, then to ensure that you got immediate attention then call 999 and say that their was a fire.

    No?
    Dave, you're wrong, though at least you now admit it. However, I fail to see what the AA and RAC bring to this discussion. As for you 'spilling blood' for your country, that is exactly what the poor firefighters have done, with fatal consequences. Just as brave, IMO. As are the other emergency services, including the Lifeboat service.

Who really cares what you think.
Did you complain to the fire service when they were on strike. Or was wanting a bigger pay rise more important than saving peoples lives...?



Posted By: Jan

The main problem I am afraid is down to budgets and the top brass wanting to earn big bonuses by reducing their spend. I know this for a fact since our son in law is a firefighter and tells us that they have been cutting one appliance regularly from the budget and selling it to another area. The cover then is not sufficient but the Chief gets his bonus for cutting the budget. Those lads are brave lads who as we have just seen give their lives in service whilst the Chief retires early on his massive pension and does not give a stuff for the men. Son is a Scene of Crimes Officer for the Police and likewise they are at present working with two or three officers down who have not been replaced and so are understaffed. He is called out at all times of the day and night but can only do so much and of course big crimes like murder are the ones that take priority. Also when they do get the druggies to court for burglary they are given help not punishment by the courts and so are back on the job within days. Waste of money and time then. Time to ask your MPs this when they come around looking for votes. Not blaming the lads on the job.

Posted By: DAC

I'm not blaming the lads on the job as being in the armed forces for over twenty years I no exactly what it's like to have a government that wants to send you to enforce their Foreign Policy, which invariably means putting your life at risk, whilst at the same time they're cutting whole Regiments from the Operational Orbat, cutting vital equipment projects and cutting training budgets. I mean, it's only in the last 5 years that the lowest paid single soldiers stopped having to pay for the ration packs that ALL deployed troops eat whilst on Operational Duties overseas. Cheek of it. Whilst all along our Pensions terms have been cut, compensation awards that are still based on a formula that was started in 1914 and are wholly inadequate, new pay terms introduced, more wars and conflicts added to the calendar and all to be done for less money. So I know full well that this government has been more interested in funding the idle, careless and the single parents that sprout babies every couple of years just to keep the benefits coming in and to fight off the day that they might just have to get off their idle arrses and do something useful. But that's going off thread a bit... :roll:


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